Creationists Say Science and Bible Disprove 'Ardi' Fossil Is Evidence of Evolution (ABC News)

ABC News ^ | October 7, 2009 | RUSSELL GOLDMAN

[GodGunsGuts]

Discovery of 4.4 Million-Year-Old Fossil Does Not Shake Creationists' Faith

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN

Oct. 7, 2009

Sometimes an ape is a 4.4 million-year-old fossil that sheds light on the evolutionary origins of human beings, and sometimes… an ape is just an ape.

In the case of "Ardi," the ape-like fossil recently discovered in Ethiopia and already being celebrated as the oldest found relative of modern human beings, the final determination depends on who is doing the talking.

In one camp are evolutionary scientists who last week published and hailed the discovery of an upright walking ape named Ardipithecus ramidus, or "Ardi" for short, who made Ethiopia her home nearly 5 million years ago.

But despite the excitement from the paleontology community, another group of researchers, many of them with advanced degrees in science, are unimpressed by Ardi, who they believe is just another ape...

[metmom]

That tooth sure can give a lot of clues about what females are thinking and their preference in males.

Who knew that smaller canines meant better providers?

Time to let eHarmony know about this one.

[fabian]

No, the question is...what emperical evidence do the evolutionists have to support their theory of macro evolution from one species to another?...nada.
Creationists have much...the amazing, numerical dna code which is more complex than a computer code to name one. It simply must have been created by a very intelligent being...that’s is simply a logical fact.

[count-your-change]

That kid in #5 will never be lonely! Loony, but not lonely.

[Behemoth the Cat]

"No, the question is...what emperical evidence do the evolutionists have to support their theory of macro evolution from one species to another?...nada."

Quite a lot of empirical evidence, and it's not our fault that you people don't want to learn natural sciences, because it offends your interpretation of the Bible (btw. many Christian denominations have already learned how to reconcile science with the God's word).

Evolutionists have fossils, logically attributed to certain timeline by our knowledge of geological processes. We have radioisotope dating. We have the knowledge of protein sequences and the genetic code (which you have mentioned) and we can find about 98% overlap between human and chimpanzee's "amazing, numerical code". Finally, we have consistency between evolution-related aspects of various scientific disciplines (biology, geology, physics, mathematics).

And what you guys have? The Bible, which you insist on interpreting literally (rather then remember about the sad story of the geocentric theory, once strongly supported by literally read biblical passages) and pseudoscientific quackery, devoid of any criticism and aimed exclusively at supporting your theory, without regard to facts, logic, and common sense.

[metmom]

(rather then remember about the sad story of the geocentric theory, once strongly supported by literally read biblical passages)

Which ones? Book, chapter, and verse, if you please.

[fabian]

No, actually I still have my commonsense intact and the very dna code that you mention was obviously created by a programmer. Why are you skirting that point?

[Behemoth the Cat]

KJV

1 Chronicles 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalm 93:1 the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Psalm 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

[Behemoth the Cat]

"No, actually I still have my commonsense intact and the very dna code that you mention was obviously created by a programmer. Why are you skirting that point?"

I don't see any reason to believe that "it was created by a programmer", that's all.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[fabian]

okay, then you don’t also see that your computer program did not need a creator, right? Are you consistent?

[onedoug]

‘Saw images of essentially the same fossil in Physical Anthrpolology at collecge back in 1976.

[ColdWater]

16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Where is the second light?

[Behemoth the Cat]

Oh, and I should also add that the proponents of "reading the God's word as it was written" should also humbly accept the notion that the Earth is actually flat:

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world(...)

Job 28:24 For he looks to the ends of the earth, and sees everything under the heavens.

The phrase: "the ends of the earth" appears in the Bible multiple times (does a sphere have ends?) Deuteronomy 28:64, Deuteronomy 33:17, Psalms 19:4-6, etc.

[Behemoth the Cat]

"okay, then you don’t also see that your computer program did not need a creator, right? Are you consistent?"

My computer programs are not the DNA.

[Behemoth the Cat]

...flat, but I have to admit that I am uncertain of what exactly a shape:

Isaiah 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth...

vs.

Revelation 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth...

[ColdWater]

This is the first commandment of the luminaries: The sun is a luminary whose egress is an opening of heaven, which is (located) in the direction of the east, and whose ingress is (another) opening of heaven, (located) in the west. I saw six openings through which the sun rises and six openings through which it sets. The moon also rises and sets through the same openings, and they are guided by the stars; together with those whom they lead, they are six in the east and six in the west heaven. All of them (are arranged) one after another in a constant order. There are many windows (both) to the right and the left of these openings. First there goes out the great light whose name is the sun; its roundness is like the roundness of the sky; and it is totally filled with light and heat. The chariot in which it ascends is (driven by) the blowing wind. The sun sets in the sky (in the west) and returns by the northeast in order to go to the east; it is guided so that it shall reach the eastern gate and shine in the face of the sky (1 Enoch 72:2-5).

[Ira_Louvin]

“It simply must have been created by a very intelligent being...that’s is simply a logical fact.”

And how would you falsify that assertion?

[count-your-change]

I don't think you understand what you are reading. You are trying to limit the meaning of the term “corners” to just one narrow meaning in English, something not done of the Greek word “gonia” of Rev. 7:1 or 20:8) by the Bible writers.

A Greek/English lexicon will tell you that “gonia” can mean a corner, an angle, a quarter, the area encompassed by the angles, therefore four quarters, the whole.

Neither do you understand the use of the word ends at Job 28:24, the Hebrew word, “qatsah”, which has a variety of meanings such as a coast, a border, utmost part, so why that you draw some conclusion about what the writer thought about the shape of the earth, I don't know.

[whattajoke]

Darwin also said fossils would prove it to be true. However, all evidence thus-far just proves him wrong. Some also indicate a "burst of life" from nothing

Congrats, you win the "Hand-wave away Of The Day" Award! "All evidence thus-far proves him wrong?" Really? ALL evidence? That is an amazing statement... Unless, of course, you belong to that special firebrand group of geocentric, flood-believing, 6-10,000 year old earth real christian, true FReepers.

[whattajoke]

Darwin also said fossils would prove it to be true. However, all evidence thus-far just proves him wrong. Some also indicate a "burst of life" from nothing

No. Most PhD's ask you don't call them doctor. Most creationists try very, very hard to attach whatever degree they've ever gotten to their name. heck, a bunch of 'em even go so far as to get fake degrees from fake diploma mills. But I've been told that doesn't bother creationists, because their message is still the real issue. So be it.