Posted on 10/05/2009 6:44:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Oct 2, 2009 — A new fossil human ancestor has taken center stage. Those who love Lucy, the australopithecine made famous by Donald Johanson (and numerous TV specials), are in for a surprise. Lucy is a has been. Her replacement is not Desi Arnaz, but is designated Ardi, short for Ardipithecus ramidus – the new leading lady in the family tree. Actually, she has been around for years since her discovery in Ethiopia in 1992. It has taken Tim White and crew 15 years to piece together the bones that were in extremely bad condition. But now, Ardi has made her debut and is stealing the limelight...
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Ok, on what basis did you assume that my source “believes that snakes reproduce by parthenogenesis”?
I jumped to that conclusion. He may believe that snakes undergo asexual reproduction.
Thanks for the ping!
And she/he/they lacks more than ribs.
It's Monday night and GGG told me.
I have NEVER seen an evolutionist on FR advocate for that.
AND I have NEVER seen any of your mythical ID'ers post on FR either.
More and more spam from the “expert”.
Five threads in five days on the very same thing. If others did that, they’d be warned.
Just showing your utter lack of knowledge GGG. Please get a REAL education.
Face it, Gibbons, Orangs, gorillas, chimps and humans ALL had a common ancestor. Evolution is real whether you like it or not.
My uncle was evidence that we descended from apes. So I always have that thought in the back of my mind.
Stay tuned for much more :o) It must really bum you out that there are so many Creation and ID science organizations debunking Darwood’s evo-religious creation myth...LOL!
Cue Bubba Clinton for a new “mummy” comment.
You're confused. Genetics do show that humans and apes share common ancestors -- not only that, but by looking at mitochondrial DNA we can tell with each species when our last common ancestor lived.
If Hominids are just another word for “great apes”, then to say that humans evolved from a hominid but didn’t evolve from apes is being a bit disingenuous, don’t you think?
Please re-read the quote you posted. It does not say that humans evolved from hominids, it says that humans are hominids. Regardless of your beliefs (I'm a Christian creationist but do not believe in a "young earth"), that statement is true.
I remember my Sunday School teacher telling us that men had one fewer ribs than womem because God took Adam's rib to make woman.
I was told the same thing as a very yound child, too! I had another Sunday School teacher repeat the same thing around 4th grade and I corrected her.
Yes, the wikipedia quote doesn’t say that humans evolved from hominids, but the evolutionist DO say that humans evolved from hominids. Then they say that it’s ludicrous to attribute to them the statement that humans evolved from apes. I’m saying, you can’t have it both ways.
“The scoop is this: Lucy had nothing to do with our family tree after all.”
—Not from anything I’ve seen. The articles I’ve read so far are all saying that Ardipithecus is probably ancestral to Au. anamensis which is ancestral to Au. afarensis. Even from the articles by Lovejoy, who they quote in this article.
This quote in the article from Lovejoy is probably what they are misreading:
“Even as its fossil record proliferated, however, Australopithecus continued to provide only an incomplete understanding of hominid origins. Paradoxically, in light of Ardipithecus, we can now see that Australopithecus was too derived—its locomotion too sophisticated, and its invasion of new habitats too advanced—not to almost entirely obscure earlier hominid evolutionary dynamics.”
—In other words, he’s saying that Australopithecus was already too far along in evolution towards becoming human to tell us much about the common ancestor of us and chimps or to tell us much about how/why we began evolving the way we did. Lucy was too far long to tell us what was going on at that early period.
“Only Biblical creationists seem to be asking the other overlooked question: how can they prove those dates without assuming evolution?”
—Huh? The same way it’s done now. What has evolution got to do with the assigned dates?
“In fact, all chimpanzees and great apes are now on different branches.”
—Duh. They are separate species – how would they possibly be on the same branch?
“The century and a half since Darwin commonly portrayed humans as higher up the family tree on a continuous lineage with chimpanzees our nearest living relatives.”
—Actually, the past century and half has been spent trying to explain to Creationists that chimpanzees are not our ancestors.
The primatological term hominid is easily confused with a number of very similar words:
A hominoid or ape is a member of the superfamily Hominoidea: extant members are the lesser apes (gibbons) and great apes.
A hominine is a member of the subfamily Homininae: gorillas, chimpanzees, humans (excludes orangutans).
A hominin is a member of the tribe Hominini: chimpanzees and humans.
A hominan is a member of the sub-tribe Hominina: modern humans and their extinct relatives.
A human is a member of the genus Homo, of which Homo sapiens sapiens is the only extant subspecies.
I see your problem. You are confused over the meaning of hominid.
Apparently, the folks at wikipedia are confused over the meaning of the term hominid, since I didn’t make that quote up out of my own imagination.
A little further research shows that the people putting out the New World Encyclopedia (which I think you quoted) put the dillema thusly:
“A hominid is any member of the primate family Hominidae. Recent classification schemes for the apes place extinct and extant humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans in Hominidae, and thus technically hominid refers to members of these groups. However, historically and even in some current classification schemes, Hominidae is restricted to humans and their close, extinct relatives—those more similar to humans than to the (other) great apes, which were placed in another family.”
and more detail is provided later in the article:
“For many years, humans were placed in the primate family Hominidae, and considered hominids, while chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans were placed in the primate family Pongidae, and labeled as pongids. Over time, particularly since the 1960s, the use of morphological and genetic studies led to the recategorization of primates and the placement of humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans together in Hominidae. In such a scheme, the use of the term hominid would properly refer to all four groups, and their extinct relatives, and thus hominid is being used more commonly in that sense. Indeed, the terms hominid and “great ape” are now effectively interchangeable among many zoologists.”
So, it seems even your own source admits the current trend among scientists is to classify existing great apes (and I would assume extinct great apes) as hominids.
In fact, if I can quote the section on “Terminology” from the Hominid article in the New World Encyclopedia, here is what it says:
“The primatological term hominid is easily confused with a number of very similar words:
A hominoid is a member of the superfamily Hominoidea: Extant members are the lesser apes (gibbons) and great apes.
A hominid is commonly a member of the family Hominidae: all of the great apes.
A hominine is a member of the subfamily Homininae: gorillas, chimpanzees, humans (excludes orangutans).
A hominin is a member of the tribe Hominini: Chimpanzees and humans.
A hominan is a member of the sub-tribe Hominina: Humans and their extinct relatives.
A humanoid is a vaguely human-shaped entity.”
Let me emphasize that line that doesn’t appear in the similar quote you posted (maybe it was from a different article?):
“A hominid is commonly a member of the family Hominidae: all of the great apes.”
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