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Supreme Court Agrees to Weigh Local Gun Laws
The Wall Street Journal ^ | September 30, 2009 | Jess Bravin

Posted on 09/30/2009 10:57:58 AM PDT by jazusamo

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court agreed to decide whether the Constitution puts limits on state gun regulations, the second phase of the justices' re-examination of weapons rights in the 21st century.

Last year, the court ruled that the Second Amendment includes an individual right to self-defense, and struck down a Washington, D.C., ordinance that effectively banned possession of handguns within the capital city.

That decision rested on the District of Columbia's status as a federal enclave and left unanswered what the amendment means for states. Supporters of gun control say states are free to set their own weapons laws as part of their power to regulate militias, while opponents say the Second Amendment bars states from infringing on an individual right to armed self-defense.

The same attorney who challenged the District of Columbia ordinance, Alan Gura, brought suit against gun regulations in Chicago and Oak Park, Ill. The Seventh U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, in Chicago, rejected the claims, citing an 1886 Supreme Court decision holding that the Second Amendment placed no limits on state authority.

The high court's constitutional doctrines have changed significantly since the 19th century, and several provisions of the Bill of Rights are now viewed as limits on states as well as the federal government. However, the Seventh Circuit ruled that only the Supreme Court could say whether the Second Amendment also would be read this way.

The court's newest justice, Sonia Sotomayor, was on a panel at the Second Circuit in New York that upheld a state law restricting martial arts weapons. Like the Seventh Circuit, the New York federal appeals court found that it remained bound by the 1886 precedent.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; chicago; donttreadonme; scotus; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; sotomayorwatch
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1 posted on 09/30/2009 10:57:58 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: Joe Brower; bamahead

Bang


2 posted on 09/30/2009 11:01:23 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: jazusamo

I don’t care what the local laws proscribe. I am prepared to protect my family, my home, and myself! Damn the consequences!


3 posted on 09/30/2009 11:01:31 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: jazusamo

“the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” ........ SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED ..... what is so hard to understand?


4 posted on 09/30/2009 11:03:58 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: jazusamo

The Supreme Court has laready ruled that the Second Amendment confers an individual right, whcih means that the Federal government can’t take away your guns.

The courts have previously ruled that via the Fourteenth Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights applies also to states and localities.

Thus, local gun bans are clearly unconstitutional.


5 posted on 09/30/2009 11:05:12 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: jazusamo

Hopefully the five justices that voted the right way in the first case stay healthy over the next few months and decide the same way in this case, because we can pretty much guess how any Obama appointment will decide...


6 posted on 09/30/2009 11:07:09 AM PDT by apillar
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To: apillar

Absolutely...If those five do the right thing it could go a long way in settling this.


7 posted on 09/30/2009 11:09:15 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

If the U.S. Constitution doesn’t guarantee the rights of citizens concerning guns, then it doesn’t guarantee them any other rights.

Either the Constitution is a valid document that guarantees U.S. Citizens certain rights, or it is a worthless document that doesn’t guarantee individual citizens any rights at all.

The left is playing a very dangerous game here, because civil rights are a part of this document, by amendment.

If there are no gun rights, then there are no free speech rights, no civil rights, and no rights of protection from any search any police agency should wish to carry out.

A ruling that would allow states to deny gun rights would by precedent nullify any granting of federal rights via the U.S. Constitution, on the whim of any of the 50 states.

The Supreme Court cannot deny the universality of gun rights, or it destroys this founding document, and therefore the very fabric of the nation.


8 posted on 09/30/2009 11:11:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ded Kennedy, Stealing from the middle class for nearly 40 years to end poverty.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Agreed! If the five justices that rulled on Heller will rule favorably on this it will be a tremendous help in shutting down the antigun crowd.


9 posted on 09/30/2009 11:15:44 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: TBP
‘The Supreme Court has laready ruled that the Second Amendment confers an individual right, whcih means that the Federal government can’t take away your guns.’

Orwell. The Heller decision stated your ‘rights are not abosolute’.

The SC has no problem denying rights and allowing local jusridictions to take away your gun rights, ie school zones, safety zones, gov’t buildings, etc.

10 posted on 09/30/2009 11:21:23 AM PDT by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: TBP
The courts have previously ruled that via the Fourteenth Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights applies also to states and localities.

Although this would have been the logical thing to do, they did not do it. Instead of wholesale incorporation they decided to do it on a case by case basis. The 2nd Amendment is the big one left out in the cold. This will give them a chance to finally incorporate it. Hopefully they decide to do so.
11 posted on 09/30/2009 11:25:05 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: TBP
The courts have previously ruled that via the Fourteenth Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights applies also to states and localities.

False.

12 posted on 09/30/2009 11:33:07 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: jazusamo

I agree, and I am very hopeful. I will tell you that when these issues come up, I consider them a ‘hold your breath’ moment until the right decision is handed down.

Let’s hope one is.


13 posted on 09/30/2009 11:33:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ded Kennedy, Stealing from the middle class for nearly 40 years to end poverty.)
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Over the next 6 months millions of American gun owners will begin to have a deeper understanding of the word “incorporation.”


14 posted on 09/30/2009 11:39:24 AM PDT by Stat-boy
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I note that this article does not make mention of how this case would never have seen the light of day if the NRA had not been pushing for cert so aggressively.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

15 posted on 09/30/2009 12:17:46 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

Be Ever Vigilant!


16 posted on 09/30/2009 12:31:13 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: jazusamo
Absolutely...If those five do the right thing it could go a long way in settling this.

If they do the right thing, then Daley and his jackbooted thugs in blue will still continue to enforce anti-constitutional gun laws. Just like POS Fenty and his blue goons still make it almost impossible to get a gun in DC. If it goes the wrong way then even more local wannabe tyrants and their eager gun gestapo will be out enslaving the populace. This is a big risk without a lot of reward.

17 posted on 09/30/2009 12:31:34 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: jazusamo

Didn’t I read somewhere that you could appeal for a redress of grievances against state laws?


18 posted on 09/30/2009 2:53:04 PM PDT by wastedyears (The best aid we could ever give Africa would be thousands of rifles to throw out their own dictators)
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To: Joe Brower
I note that this article does not make mention of how this case would never have seen the light of day if the NRA had not been pushing for cert so aggressively.

But their case got left in limbo. This is Alan Gura's case. The same Attorney who won the DC "Heller" case. With help from the NRA and a cast of thousands. :)

19 posted on 09/30/2009 4:51:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Joe Brower
I note that this article does not make mention of how this case would never have seen the light of day if the NRA had not been pushing for cert so aggressively.

Rremember what Reagan said.

"You can accomplish much if you don't care who gets the credit."


20 posted on 09/30/2009 4:55:41 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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