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Supreme Court cases could affect state laws (Second Amendment)
The New Haven Register (Conn.) ^ | September 27, 2009 | Ed Stannard

Posted on 09/28/2009 10:53:24 AM PDT by neverdem

The Supreme Court has clearly ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution means individuals have a right to own weapons, and the justices have been asked to take up two cases that could broaden that right to include state laws.

The court’s decision on whether to take up the cases, National Rifle Association v. Chicago and McDonald v. Chicago, could come this week, before the fall term officially starts Oct. 5.

The Second Amendment is one of the most contentious provisions in the Constitution. To many, it is an unqualified guarantee of Americans’ right to defend themselves. Others see it as referring to organized defense only, and want to limit gun ownership in order to reduce the amount of crime and death brought about by guns.

Those who believe in the right to bear arms were encouraged when the Supreme Court issued its ruling last year, which was widely interpreted as the first time the court clarified that the amendment supports individuals’ rights.

Through more than 200 years of legal interpretation, the court had not ruled as directly as the 5-4 majority did in District of Columbia v. Heller, constitutional law experts said.

But Professor Dan Kahan of Yale Law School said the decision also includes a number of exceptions that allow many gun control laws.

“I think that actually it’s remarkable in two respects,” Kahan said. “One, in that it does in fact call into question handgun restrictions that a lot of jurisdictions, including big cities, are likely to have.”

But Justice Antonin A. Scalia Jr.’s majority decision also went “far, far beyond what you ordinarily normally see in a Supreme Court opinion to identify safe harbors of restriction,” he said.

Among the fundamental freedoms included in the Bill of Rights are the words, “A well regulated...”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; dankahan; donttreadonme; liberty; lping; mcdonald; nra; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; statesrights; yale
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This is the fourth edition of “Petitions to Watch” featuring cases up for consideration at the Justices’ opening conference of September 29. We’ll have one final post tomorrow; included in today’s post are the Second Amendment incorporation petitions out of the Second and Seventh Circuits. As always, the list contains the petitions on the Court’s paid docket that Tom has deemed to have a reasonable chance of being granted. Links to previous editions are available in our archives on SCOTUSwiki.

1 posted on 09/28/2009 10:53:25 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Since when do they care about the Constitution?


2 posted on 09/28/2009 10:58:14 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: neverdem
It's the only amendment that specifically says it shall not be infringed

Silly me, I thought words had meaning

3 posted on 09/28/2009 11:02:25 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: neverdem
Those who believe in the right to bear arms were encouraged when the Supreme Court issued its ruling last year

No, Those who believe in the right to KEEP arms were encouraged when the Supreme Court issued its ruling last year.

Those who believe in the right to also bear arms were somewhat discouraged because the decision stopped short of including the uninfringed right to BEAR arms.

4 posted on 09/28/2009 11:03:47 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Naw, that is why the liberals say the Constitution is a “living document” so they can bend it to say what they want for any occasion that benefits them.


5 posted on 09/28/2009 11:04:20 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

It’s part of their elitist worldview.
They believe that they, living now, have more information, and are able to decide better than those moldy old framers of the Constitution.

This is why you hear the “flintlock musket” argument.


6 posted on 09/28/2009 11:08:41 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
It's the only amendment that specifically says it shall not be infringed.

IMHO, the vast majority of those infringements will go the way of the poll tax. I can think of two most folks will agree with: violent felons and those deemed a threat to themselves or others.

7 posted on 09/28/2009 11:12:12 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: marstegreg

Right - as if a law professor, a State Supreme Court, or a Federal Supreme Court is going to tell millions of gun owners what the 2nd Amendment means.
I’ve read it, and it is as clear as water to me.
QED.


8 posted on 09/28/2009 11:14:37 AM PDT by Madistan ((This space for rent))
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To: MrB
This is why you hear the “flintlock musket” argument.

Which is countered by observing that only the Gutenberg press would be protected under the 1st Amendment if the protection was limited to the technology available at the time of adoption. No TV, radio, satellite, telephone or any more modern printing process would be protected. That shuts them up pretty fast.

9 posted on 09/28/2009 11:14:50 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: marstegreg
Chapter 140: Section 131L. Weapons stored or kept by owner; inoperable by any person other than owner or lawfully authorized user; punishment

Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user

The above is still on the books in the Gay State.I'm no lawyer but it seems to me that this is *exactly* what the SCOTUS overruled in "Heller".

10 posted on 09/28/2009 11:16:56 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Myrddin

also, the rest of the BoR clearly identify individuals as
the party whose rights are being confirmed. The govt does
not need its rights to be confirmed.


11 posted on 09/28/2009 11:18:08 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: Las Vegas Ron

How much different is that from:

“Shall make no law”

“Shall not be violated”

“The right...shall be preserved”

The amendments all have pretty high bars against infringement, but that hasn’t stopped the government from enacting certain limits on those rights, some more justifiable than others.

For the issue at hand, I will never understand why the SC didn’t incorporate the entire Bill of Rights at once, and make this issue moot after Heller. Hopefully they will incorporate it, although I imagine the “reasonable limitations” language will remain.


12 posted on 09/28/2009 11:20:37 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: neverdem

If the 2nd was in the constitution when a state signed on to the union, how the h3ll can they get out of the 2nd 230 years later??


13 posted on 09/28/2009 11:20:37 AM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: All

“Those who turn their guns into plows shall pow for those who do not”
Thomas Jefferson


14 posted on 09/28/2009 11:21:43 AM PDT by poetknowit
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To: poetknowit

opps, ‘plow’


15 posted on 09/28/2009 11:23:08 AM PDT by poetknowit
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To: poetknowit

I almost like P.O.W. better ;-)


16 posted on 09/28/2009 11:26:52 AM PDT by j_guru
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To: neverdem
“As someone who fears guns myself ... the harm that can be done with guns is quite considerable,” said Elizabeth Marsh, law professor at Quinnipiac University. While the original intent of the framers of the Constitution may have been to ensure people could defend themselves against government control, the Second Amendment needs to be looked at in terms of how it fits with modern needs, she said. “With all constitutional questions, it’s all a question of how you interpret the Constitution, and the Constitution I believe is a living document that needs to change with the times,” she said.

Let's get rid of that silly free speech stuff too, huh Liz? Maybe your right to vote, get you back in the home and kitchen?

Yeah, didn't think you'd like that...

17 posted on 09/28/2009 11:34:26 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: neverdem
...and those deemed a threat to themselves or others.

Could that be interpreted by those in power, who are abusing that power as well as ourselves, as an exception designed to protect them from an angry populace?

Just wonderin'....

CA....

18 posted on 09/28/2009 11:36:16 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: Madistan
Right - as if a law professor, a State Supreme Court, or a Federal Supreme Court is going to tell millions of gun owners what the 2nd Amendment means.
I’ve read it, and it is as clear as water to me.
QED.


Exactly.

And for us to wait on the government to decide whether or not we have the right to be prepared to oppose that government would be the height of naivete. (It'd be like the colonists asking King George III for permission to fight the Revolutionary War!)
19 posted on 09/28/2009 11:46:45 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Parley Baer

The thing that immediately shoots down the ‘living document’ liberals is to agree with them.

The Constitution lays out exactly how to change it in Article V.


20 posted on 09/28/2009 12:30:31 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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