Posted on 09/17/2009 8:26:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head
Here we go again.
I was watching Sean Hannity tonight (9/17/2009), and have been following loosely the situation in the San Joaquin Valley of California with their water crisis over the small Delta Smelt minnow and its endangered species listing.
The Farmers have water rights to that water. There is no legal water rights for that water for a minnow over the farmers. There is only a manufactured judicial legal decision by liberal judges based on junk science and the whims of administrators and bureaucrats that create these incidents based on the Endangered Species Act and a rabid environmental policy.
This is an illegal "taking", and it is unconstitutional on its face. And it simply cannot stand.
This sounds more and more like what happened in the Klamath Basin Water Crisis to farmers of Oregon and northern California in 2001. At that time, the magical fish was the sucker fish...and every farmer in that basin knew that the sucker fish was not endagered and that they did not need a "full" lake to survive. It was junk science being used to push an anti-American environmental agenda then...plain and simple...and it is the same today.
Here is my suggestion to the Farmers and their allies in the San Joaquin Valley.
You have the numbers...many more people actively engaged in the fight than we had in Klamath. In Klamath, there were many meetings with politicians...followed by meetings with "officials" of government agencies. In the end, the result was the same...the water stayed off.
It was not until a few farmers and their allies took control of the headgates and turned the water back on that things began to happen. In that case, only a dozen farmers and their allies were at the gates the next morning when 50-70 armed law enforcement officers came and took the head gates back and again turned off the water.
If we had had 1000 farmers and their allies there that morning, they would not have been able to do so.
As it was, we did not, and so those officers, who had reconnoitered our position through the night, turned the water back off...temporarily.
But that was the spark and by the next afternoon, the farmers and their allies gathered en masse and surrounded the law enforcement officers (most of whom absolutely did not want to be there) and made their life miserable over the course of many weeks.
Ultimately, after the farmers pumped the water in small quanitities, and then siphoned it in larger quantities around the headgates, at a later rally where many hundreds were present, the farmers crossed the line again and penned the government officers in.
Soon thereafter, legal decisions began to change and the crisis was ultimately resolved and returned to the status quo and the farmers got their water.
To this day the Klamath Basin has continued getting enough water to farm.
Now the fight has moved to the much larger and larger producing San Joaquin Valley.
In the end, my advise is simple.
STOP BEING GLAD HANDED BY POLITIICANS AND OFFICIALS.
FIND A WAY TO TURN YOUR WATER ON THEN STAND VIGIL BY THE THOUSANDS AND KEEP IT ON.
Your livelihood, your way of life...YOUR LIBERTY is worth the effort and the risk. And make no mistake, that is exactly what is at stake here.
And make no mistake the rest of America...YOUR livelihood, your way of life, and your liberty by extension is also at stake. For if they can do this to your neighbors there in California and get away with it...they can do it to you.
Once those lines are drawn, and you engage in civil disobedience in this fashion, people will flock to you by the tens of thousands and the administration will be forced to turn things around and magically find, as the Bush administration did before them, the "new science" to support a reversal of their current policy.
God bless you farmers there. God bless all who support you.
In the end, it is your decision. This advise is simply given from one who witnessed the same type of governmental infringement, the same unconstitutional and illegal takings, the same judicial and environmental tyranny that you are experiencing now...and stood with those who did something about it.
There has been talk of that, and there was at Klamath...but how do you kill a minnow and not kill the other fish? The farmers do not want to destroy other people’s livelihoods (fishing, recreation, etc.) and become like the thing they fight, they want to reclaim their own...and they can if they stand as one and TURN THE WATER ON AND LET THE WATER FLOW.
And that is the idea...all over the country, one area at a time. Tearing down and destroying what it took hard working, God-fearing, patriotic Americans to toil and labor for for generations to build. It cannot be allowed. It cannot stand.
Those are just lame excuses, supported by junk science, activist judges, and agencies gone amuk.
It's about control...it's about tyranny. The farmers need to stand as one and do what they must to turn their water back on...and then we must support them four-square.
Yes is it. They turn on each other and will do a large measure of our work for us.
What a terrible post! Did I lose a finger? LOL
Corrected, again:
And/or creating a desert for a solar-panel farm to fit the CommuFascist agenda, which by extension, will ruin our beloved country.
“Same thing I was thinking, but on a larger scale since the intakes are so huge. Screens close to the intake would probably restrict flow too much, so you need a containment area for “de-minnowed” water. Something like a large reservoir/basin that keeps the minnow or any other wildlife from getting anywhere near the intakes constructed around the intakes to provide enough volume for them while protecting the precious little minnow.”
there is already exactly such a project under consideration(the Two Gates project, total cost , about 20 million and it’s “shovel ready”, too). Unfortunately, they don’t WANT the water pumped, fish or no fish. The fish is just the lever species they are using to get the water shut off. If you save this NOT endangered fish, which is genetically the same as smelt that exist all over the country, they will find some other species to claim as endangered, in order to get the water shut off.
There are 2 REAL problems that exist in this whole thing. 1 is a twacked-out communist public serpent member of congress by the name of George Miller, who represents the Contra crackhead.. err Costa area of the Bay. He believes that the farming and use of water in the SJ Valley are illegal (and probably immoral, too) and is in general an oxygen thief to begin with. The other problem is that the cities along the Sacramento River and Delta areas have been using the water to dump their partially-treated sewage overflow for many years. They don’t want to have to pay to upgrade their inadequate wastewater treatment facilities to meet current standard. The above folks are blaming the farming and the pumps, in order to cover up that their own area has been killing more of the fish (which are food for the Striped Bass and salmon, and so on) then the pumps ever have, by more or less poisoning them. So sayeth a report by the Army Corps of Engineers a couple years ago, anyway. Note that the above-named public serpent has a lot of refineries and chemical plants (which are not bad things in and of themselves) in his area, and would rather they get to release wastes only partially treated, into the Delta he professes to love because he hunted and fished in as a kid, than have some of the water pumped out to feed the world. That same water is there diluting the wastes down so they can have slightly lower sewage bills.
Note that this is only the beginning of the Valley’s problems, as the Eastside farmers are going to start having their water taken away either next year or the year after. Currently, it’s the Westside farmers that are getting clobbered. The rest is coming.
So something like two step screening? Question, even if the screens filtered just 30% of the smelt out wouldn't’t that keep them from being extinct?
Screens will keep 100% out.
Right you are!
It’s a matter of control agenda, period.
We are talking about water, the liberals are playing with fire.
I haven’t been in that area since the 80’s.
It really looked dry on Hannity’s show.
I think we’re in for some really rough times, in the very near future.
Be Ever Vigilant!
Yeah, I hear ya. Personally I really couldn’t care less about the minnow in regards to all of this... my bottom line here is that the world will pay the price for all of this stupidity, while we shoulder the brunt of the burden. The rest of what you state doesn’t surprise me in the least either. That kind of stuff used to disgust me, but I’ve come to expect the double-standards from libs and commies (a redundancy I know).
I’d refer you to the post above yours (#226). Of course what you say is correct, but this never really was about the minnow, they just use it as leverage to get where they wanted to...
How does that account for clogging/blockage of any sort? I would assume the math could deal with that as well, but you’d have to have a valid assumption on what blockage level would be allowable and a method to determine what it is at the inlet to ensure the max allowable level wasn’t exceeded (maintenance procedures, monitoring, etc...).
Just like Klamath...the “species” is a tool and lever to advance the interests of the marxist/liberal opposition. It has to be defeated the same way.
Good to see you again, too, dear lady. I have to wonder if the folks of the central valley thought this could happen to them when we were fighting the fight in KF??
We tried to tell them, didn’t we?
“Just like Klamath...the “species” is a tool and lever to advance the interests of the marxist/liberal opposition. It has to be defeated the same way.”
Precisely!
Largely, the enviro groups are operated by lawyers and funded by a provision in the ESA that allows anyone to sue the government to make them comply with protection of ‘endangered species’ AND collect attorney fees. It’s quite the racket and the same one we should be using to force the DHS to secure the borders.
Illegal alien Mexican drug cartels just burned down 88,000 acres of California in just one of their fires...talk about habitat destruction! But you won’t hear the enviros complain about that!
Makes me wonder if your state reps have ever looked at the state from space. They need a refresher on just how small man’s impact really is.
I’m glad you’re a thinking person. Some folks just go about life on cruise control
They said they have 5 counties and over 45 cities and towns
I think they could make it real hard for people in the Democrat Constituencies if they wanted to.
Look at what they did in the 1920s,
For example, make it a crime to sell anything to a Federal or State Official. Check their plates on their car, they can’t buy gas or food. They can’t get their car towed.
If they really have the support of their local politicians, then let them show it.
Wake Up before it’s too late...maybe it already is???
He was referring to this:
http://www.hanfordsentinel.com/articles/2009/08/25/news/doc4a941aa622e70892149469.txt
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