Posted on 09/17/2009 8:26:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head
Here we go again.
I was watching Sean Hannity tonight (9/17/2009), and have been following loosely the situation in the San Joaquin Valley of California with their water crisis over the small Delta Smelt minnow and its endangered species listing.
The Farmers have water rights to that water. There is no legal water rights for that water for a minnow over the farmers. There is only a manufactured judicial legal decision by liberal judges based on junk science and the whims of administrators and bureaucrats that create these incidents based on the Endangered Species Act and a rabid environmental policy.
This is an illegal "taking", and it is unconstitutional on its face. And it simply cannot stand.
This sounds more and more like what happened in the Klamath Basin Water Crisis to farmers of Oregon and northern California in 2001. At that time, the magical fish was the sucker fish...and every farmer in that basin knew that the sucker fish was not endagered and that they did not need a "full" lake to survive. It was junk science being used to push an anti-American environmental agenda then...plain and simple...and it is the same today.
Here is my suggestion to the Farmers and their allies in the San Joaquin Valley.
You have the numbers...many more people actively engaged in the fight than we had in Klamath. In Klamath, there were many meetings with politicians...followed by meetings with "officials" of government agencies. In the end, the result was the same...the water stayed off.
It was not until a few farmers and their allies took control of the headgates and turned the water back on that things began to happen. In that case, only a dozen farmers and their allies were at the gates the next morning when 50-70 armed law enforcement officers came and took the head gates back and again turned off the water.
If we had had 1000 farmers and their allies there that morning, they would not have been able to do so.
As it was, we did not, and so those officers, who had reconnoitered our position through the night, turned the water back off...temporarily.
But that was the spark and by the next afternoon, the farmers and their allies gathered en masse and surrounded the law enforcement officers (most of whom absolutely did not want to be there) and made their life miserable over the course of many weeks.
Ultimately, after the farmers pumped the water in small quanitities, and then siphoned it in larger quantities around the headgates, at a later rally where many hundreds were present, the farmers crossed the line again and penned the government officers in.
Soon thereafter, legal decisions began to change and the crisis was ultimately resolved and returned to the status quo and the farmers got their water.
To this day the Klamath Basin has continued getting enough water to farm.
Now the fight has moved to the much larger and larger producing San Joaquin Valley.
In the end, my advise is simple.
STOP BEING GLAD HANDED BY POLITIICANS AND OFFICIALS.
FIND A WAY TO TURN YOUR WATER ON THEN STAND VIGIL BY THE THOUSANDS AND KEEP IT ON.
Your livelihood, your way of life...YOUR LIBERTY is worth the effort and the risk. And make no mistake, that is exactly what is at stake here.
And make no mistake the rest of America...YOUR livelihood, your way of life, and your liberty by extension is also at stake. For if they can do this to your neighbors there in California and get away with it...they can do it to you.
Once those lines are drawn, and you engage in civil disobedience in this fashion, people will flock to you by the tens of thousands and the administration will be forced to turn things around and magically find, as the Bush administration did before them, the "new science" to support a reversal of their current policy.
God bless you farmers there. God bless all who support you.
In the end, it is your decision. This advise is simply given from one who witnessed the same type of governmental infringement, the same unconstitutional and illegal takings, the same judicial and environmental tyranny that you are experiencing now...and stood with those who did something about it.
LET THE WATER FLOW!
“Where is La Raza? Have they done anything to protect the huge Hispanic numbers of unemployed due to this green terrorist crime against humans?”
La Raza...well, they’re coddling their armed illegal alien Mexican Drug Cartels who are fighting for control of millions of acres of California land to grow dope, while burning up 88,000 acres of it in just one fire this year. Other than the US taxpayer, that’s likely where outfits like LaRaza get much of their funding.
Amen.
You should seriously consider a seperate page/thread for this amom. Add the links with a brief description by each, and then below that your, Whos’ Who. It’s be a wonderful resource for people as they get interested and warmed up on this.
Thanks for that info. I bet the farmers could find a way. They know how much water they need and where it is coming from. I know this, the government...state or federal does not want the spectre of farmers being beaten, jailed, or worse over their water. Those on the ground, who are the water users could figure out some solution...but it will be up to them to do so.
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Maybe they want to hire all of the unemployed Hispanic, former farmworkers to be drug farmworkers.
“Maybe they want to hire all of the unemployed Hispanic, former farmworkers to be drug farmworkers.”
That’s exactly what has happened with many of them. Now these drug farms are being patrolled by 50 men to each camp. People hear them walking up and down country lanes in the middle of the night, speaking spanish, patrolling ‘their territory’.
Some of these migrant workers are coerced or threatened into the job, most are willing because the money is good.
This regime wants more power and control. First they make us energy dependent, then they take the banks, the Auto industry.........now they create a new dust bowl to control the food, even passing regulations on home gardens!
If we do not locally take control back this republic is doomed, at the moment I feel like it will split into 6 regions.....but the more important point is that the farmers have a right to water and we all need the food.
The first, on July 15, 2002, was pumped out of the lake around the headgates and happened that first week end. It was symbolic and not much water...but showed the ingenuity and the drive of those farmers...and it sent a message.
The work was hard...law enforcment tried to intervene and failed because so many people were there at that time that they would have had to literally arrest hundreds, and a lot of them were their own neighbors and relatives.
There are messages and examples and schooling in all of that.
Boy, I will never forget the cheers from hundreds and hundreds of Americans when even that little bit of water was turned back on.
Later, on September 3rd, 2001 (eight days before the world changed for us all), a larger, siphon was put in place for the water. not enough for all the farmers...but quite a bit more water and sent the message again.
The Farmers in California have the numbers and the sentiment of the nation on their side. I pray they will use it.
BUILD A SET OF 12, 24, 49 LARGE 48" SIPHONS. Whatever it takes.
The thing is...we didn't know what the Feds would do but were willing to risk it. If they had used force...there would have been a shooting revolution and they knew it.
Same here.
When it finally comes down to it, it has to be worth the risk...or it isn't worth much of anything at all.
See my post 191.
There’s a huge point. They need to make the statement now while the eye of the nation has been focused on them through Hannity...and those trees need water if they have any chance of saving them...even if the fruit bearing season is over.
La Raza does not care about the people any more than any marxist revolutionary movement does. All they want is power and control...and having a bunch of hungry, out of work people that your provide welfare relief to is one of controlling them.
I remember! It was truly an amazing moment when the water began to run again.
I wonder if we are seeing a replay of how GMC and Chrysler Dealers got closed because they support McCain and Palin?
My wife and I have made a few trips down 101 this year passing through a lot of irrigated farm land from South of San Jose to Santa Barbara.
The farms are lush, well irrigated, green and producing wonderful crops versus the other valley. I know that we are talking about different water for irrigation.
Go to this interactive map of the 2008 elections. The irrigate areas along 101 are all blue for 0b0z0. I think most of the counties in the current dust bowl voted for McCain/Palin and are the red counties.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/ca.htm
Jeff: I grew up in the Central Valley (although I don’t live there any more) and I remember when my Uncle Tommy turned on the valve at the end of WWII to irrigate his fields. It was a glorius day. The government had forced him (the last son on my grandmother’s farm) to remain in dairy farming (tough for a lone farmer) throughout WWII, but at the end of the War he was released from forced servitude, and the water was turned on.
THe great Central Valley WAter Project was started during the Depression, I think, and there is a chan of lakes and reservoirs extending from the peaks of the Sierra Nevada Mountains down into the foothills. The water is contained and released slowly as the snow melts and it is measured into the fields, as it is needed. At least, that is how it is supposed to work.
The lakes behind the dams have become popular, low cost, recreational resources for the people. I know that there were agreements with the farmers at one time, and I don’t know what happened to them. It is my understanding that the farmers paid fees and special taxes for thel rights to that water.
The Central Valley Water Project also served as a flood control device. Prior to its installation, the Valley flooded in the spring and homes were threatened and water was wasted.
The dams and the lakes they held back were off limits during WW II because of the fear that they might be damaged by terrorists — German and Japanese in those days. But, after the war, access to the lakes was opened to the public.
MY BIG QUESTION is: What have these smelt been doing for the last 70+ years while the SJValley farmer has been growing food for this nation on that land? THey certainly haven’t become extinct.
TURN THE WATER BACK ON!
The vast majority of the farmers in the Central Valley voted Republican and always have. They are just outnumbered by the liberals living in the coastal areas. Check out a red/blue map some time.
I was thinking the same thing, as I watched the Hannity special last night. I was wondering what is stopping Schwarzenegger from turning the water back on. He’s the governor.
Anyway, Central WA is going to look a lot like the San Joachim Valley, when they take down the dams on the Snake River. The farmers use that water for irrigation. It will kill the farming in Central WA.
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