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Are We at the Center of the Universe? (new solution to Einstein's field equations may put us there!)
CEH ^ | August 23, 2009

Posted on 08/24/2009 9:23:30 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

August 23, 2009 — An alternative cosmology that doesn’t require dark energy may have the effect of putting the Milky Way near the center of the universe. That’s not the only interpretation, but it is being considered....

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To: angkor
Ha. You wouldn’t be quite so sanguine if your were the ruler of the Phasian Klingovians living on Alpha Centauri!

As soon as he shows up and raises our taxes, I will worry a lot.

101 posted on 08/24/2009 5:19:30 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: dragnet2
Just curious, what specific part of our galaxy is the exact center of the universe?

I think it's Jupiter. Or Jupiter's moon Europa, to be exact, because God wanted every ice fisherman in the universe to be within an easy drive of the creatures which swim in the oceans beneath its icy crust. Makes sense to me.

102 posted on 08/24/2009 5:21:04 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: dragnet2
Our galaxy would have to be at or near the center of the Universe because the Universe appears isotropic in all directions. Morever, the galaxies tend to be grouped in concentric shells making it appear that we are at or near the center of what has come to be known as the "Big Bang".


103 posted on 08/24/2009 5:21:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Alter Kaker

All the same, Mr. Goat Herder/charlatan, do you have any links to back up your assertion?


104 posted on 08/24/2009 5:23:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Try Wikipedia, if you can get it in your tent.


105 posted on 08/24/2009 5:31:55 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So we’re the ‘wet spot’ of the universe.

Makes sense.


106 posted on 08/24/2009 5:32:08 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

107 posted on 08/24/2009 5:38:02 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Welcome to the Revolution.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I am familiar with what Wikipedia writes about the “Big Bang”, cosmology, and Lemaitre. I’m still waiting for those links, Mr. Goat Herder/Charlatan.


108 posted on 08/24/2009 5:44:05 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DallasMike; GodGunsGuts; metmom
I have to admit that if I wanted to make Christians look ignorant and hurt their ability to reach others, I would set up a site like Creation Safaris. It's like the guy at the Dingle townhall meeting who was photographed carrying an Obama sign with a Hitler mustache. The image of the sign went around the world but the fact that the sign carrier was later photographed passing out pro-Obamacare literature was mostly ignored by the mainstream media.

What's next, Christians will be ignorant haters for actually believing what scripture says about anything and everything...like homosexual marriage...

oh wait...

liberals already do exactly that.

109 posted on 08/24/2009 5:49:04 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: Alter Kaker; GodGunsGuts; metmom; CottShop
When you read the Bible, which you have hopefully read, did you make it all the way to Job? You should know the dangers of thinking you understand God.

Wow...and just think of all the demands from liberals to keep religion out of science...talk about a post dripping with irony!

As if that's not enough, liberals demanding that they and they alone know the science as no one else is capable, then they turn right around and pretend to be the experts on what it is they so desperately demand to keep out of the discussion in the first place!

You'd think when they were more than thoroughly educated that they weren't given the keys to science, it would be understood they didn't have them to religion either!

See my tagline for further assitance!

110 posted on 08/24/2009 6:11:48 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Wakey, wakey Mr. Goat Herder/Charlatan. I’m still waiting for those links proving that Lemaitre rejected a Universe with a center in favor of a homogenous Universe. I have looked and looked and I cannot find anything that backs up your assertion. Either back your assertion up with links, or conceded you have no clue what you’re talking about.


111 posted on 08/24/2009 6:15:52 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Alter Kaker
“heavens” as the universe would include pulsars, planets, etc., and that is how the term is used in the first few verses of Genesis.

Quantum mechanics is a theoretical explanation for some physical phenomena on very small scales. To the degree that the descriptions are correct they would be part of creation.
Just like gravity.
To the best of my knowledge swine flu was not in existence when the Bible was written any more than television was so it wouldn't be “In the Bible” though illnesses, major and minor, are often mentioned.

“So everything that exists is in the Bible?”

If you're going to expound on God's creation the Bible is the source of information not your speculations.

Job said, “Hear, please, and I myself shall speak, I shall question you, and you inform me” (Job 42:4)

112 posted on 08/24/2009 6:29:30 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Our galaxy would have to be at or near the center of the Universe because the Universe appears isotropic in all directions

M31 Andromeda Galaxy is moving towards us.

113 posted on 08/24/2009 6:31:00 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: reagan_fanatic
You/we are not there, since that image is M31 Andromeda Galaxy, not the Milky Way.

But it's a might fine image!

114 posted on 08/24/2009 6:33:09 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

I’m not talking about micromovements, I’m talking about the way it looks on the whole.


115 posted on 08/24/2009 6:42:43 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: allmendream
The Geocentric impulse is alive and well among those who

It is alive and well in you.

nothing in science is ever “proven”. [allmendream]

And yes, it is still called the Heliocentric Theory, not the Heliocentric Truth [allmendream]


116 posted on 08/24/2009 7:08:41 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Did I not make it abundantly clear that I was referring to evo-atheists like Stephen Hawkings et al who openly admit that they scrapped the empirical observations of Lamaitre et al (which point to our galaxy being at or near the center of the Universe) for purely ideological reasons?”

—No. :-) Well, at least not in the post I was responding to, but I pretty quickly glanced over earlier posts in the thread.
What observations by Lemaitre are you referring to? I’ve read some of his writings - although certainly not all, and they aren’t an easy read - but I’ve never seen anything from him to suggest that we’re in a special place in the universe. In fact, I’m pretty sure the first publication of his to talk about the “Big Bang” theory was the paper titled: “A homogeneous Universe of constant mass and growing radius accounting for the radial velocity of extragalactic nebulae”.

If you have something of his that suggests we’re at the center or some special location, I’d love to see it.

This is also interesting - it’s an early 30’s article in Popular Science on Lemaitre’s recently proposed theory... it’s remarkably similar to modern descriptions of the Big Bang. It starts off with a graphic that’s essentially the ubiquitous “balloon analogy” (which, of course, is used to explain how we’re not in a special place in the universe!):
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/01/11/blast-of-giant-atom-created-our-universe/


117 posted on 08/24/2009 7:09:03 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: tpanther
talk about a post dripping with irony!

Yes. Atheists frequently dispense free spiritual advice about the Bible, God, Christianity, morality, etc. Atheists are of course experts in everything. Why, recently the atheists here have even become experts in Catholicism. They know everything about it; they are more than qualified to speak for it, etc.

118 posted on 08/24/2009 7:27:27 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Yes, and all the evidence supports the heliocentric model.

Way to try to quote me out of context.


119 posted on 08/24/2009 7:36:41 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Our galaxy would have to be at or near the center of the Universe because the Universe appears isotropic in all directions.

If the Universe is infinite, would it not appear isotropic, no matter where one stood?

120 posted on 08/24/2009 8:28:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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