Posted on 08/10/2009 11:19:33 AM PDT by SeattleBruce
While Dobbs says he believes that Obama was born in the United States, he's also pushed for more proof — just to assuage the doubters, he says. He has discussed the birther question frequently on his radio show, which CNN does not control. He has covered the question much less often on his CNN show, reporting on it five times since mid-July.
During the same time period, the birther issue has come up on 29 individual MSNBC shows between 5 p.m. and 10 p.m. alone.
John Reiss, executive producer for "Hardball" and executive producer for MSNBC political programming, acknowledged the potential problem in giving too much coverage to conspiracy theories. But he said it was appropriate for Chris Matthews to spend so much time trying to shoot down the rumors.
Reiss said the birther issue has become "part of the American conversation." He pointed to the viral video of a birther woman shouting at Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) during a Delaware town hall and at a recent Daily Kos/ Research2000 poll in which 58 percent of Republicans expressed doubts over whether Obama was born in the United States.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
Meanwhile the Democrats’ Healther rumors of insurance funding of the healthcare protests go unreported.
All depends on what you think is an unfounded conspiracy theory.
Why, pray tell, would this issue not come up during the election? (hint: PC fascism)
all I know is that he refuses to show many of his past records
this is all I ask
to stop all this back and forth and to stop all these accusations then show the documents from your past
it is that easy so why keep stalling?
to stop all of this then show the damn thing instead of hiding it
Meanwhile the Democrats’ Healther rumors of insurance funding of the healthcare protests go unreported.
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Right. From what I read out of St. Louis, some are claiming that the insurance industry is funding the Tea Parties directly - which is bogus. Many in the Tea Parties - like me - are naturally involved with, and oppose the Socialist Government’s power grab of medicine.
You can go here:
http://www.teapartypatriots.org/TownHalls.aspx
And here:
http://teapartypatriots.org/
to get more involved. Here are a couple of great sheets of info related to the Town Hall events:
http://teapartywa.org/healthcare_handout.pdf - good handouts and info
http://teapartypatriots.org/TPLM02.pdf - Quiz your representative.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/04/morning-bell-five-questions-for-health-care-townhalls/ - a good basic list of 5 questions challenging Obamacare.
It makes him look shifty and guilty of something. What is he covering up. Ask Richard Nixon: It isn't the crime that gets ya it is the cover up.
Probably for the same reason that Obama's accomplishments as a State & US Senator never came up. He HAD none.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
They try to spin opposition as “racist” or “personality motivate” (i.e. “crush the Obama administration”). Poppycock.
This is the same opposition that has resisted this bill when it was ventured by Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy before that.
Same goals, different mouthpiece.
It makes him look shifty and guilty of something. What is he covering up. Ask Richard Nixon: It isn’t the crime that gets ya it is the cover up.
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Absolutely. It’s amazing to me - I went over to Politico for a few minutes and posted over there - people still don’t get the difference between the Certification of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate from the SOH. I’m just stunned with people’s lack of facts. All they can do is name call.
Let’s review the various ways outside of actually being born in HI you could have received a COLB from the SOH:
4 ways of getting a HI COLB:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105371
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We birthers should challenge ALL Democratic and Republican candidates for Governor, Senator, and Representative to show us their long form birth certificate and their college records.
1. If Democratic and Republican candidates---especially primary candidates---don't want to show us their long form birth certificates and college records for personal or legal reasons, then we birthers should look to vote for candidates who are not scared to show their birth certificates and college records.
2. Republican Party eligibility rules: The Republican Party should put this rule in its bylaws concerning candidates who want to be eligible for public office under the banner of the Republican Party:
"Candidates for public office must present his/her birth certificate and college records to Republican Party officials before they can be declared eligible to represent the Republican Party.
"The birth certificate and college records will then become part of the public record so that voters can examine them whenever they wish."
3. Political party bylaws do not have to be approved or voted on by Congress, which means that the rule above only has to be approved by members of the Republican Party.
4. IMPORTANT: If President Obama should dare to go out and publicly campaign for Democrat candidates in the near future, we birthers should be ready/prepared to greet President Obama with signs and cries like the following statement:
"Obama, why won't you show us your Hawaii long form birth certificate and your Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records? What are you hiding?"
they just love this example, because the woman was so ill equiped and hysterical (bless her heart), saying obama is not a citizen and it distracts from the real question of qualification,
There are thousands of protest examples to cite, but they continue to showcase this one !
How is it a "conspiracy" when only one man (OBAMA) refuses to release one birth certificate?
(For all the uneducated, and presstitutes, out there a COLB is a "CERTIFICATE of Live Birth" not the "CERTIFICATION of Live Birth.")
Dear Barak, you African-UN-american marxist, please, PLEase, PLEASE, kill yourself ! it is the only thing that will save america at this point in history
thank you, a concerned citizen
1. If Democratic and Republican candidates-—especially primary candidates-—don’t want to show us their long form birth certificates and college records for personal or legal reasons, then we birthers should look to vote for candidates who are not scared to show their birth certificates and college records.
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A movement for true transparency, and integrity - born of the ‘kooky’ birther movement - or shall we say, those who care about the United States of America and the US Constitution. 2 through 4 are also excellent suggestions.
Every time they call us a ‘kook’ - just put the label back on bammy - he’s the ultimate king kook - because he started and persists in this.
I just want to know what citizenship he claimed when he was applying for college financial aid and traveling to Pakistan. I want to know if he was trying to game the system for financial aid.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105371
I need to clarify this reference I made to the 4 ways you could have received a birth certificate record from the State of HI of the sort that Fukino swore to seeing.
There were these FOUR different means to receive an underlying Birth Certificate record from the State of Hawaii in 1961:
1) From an attending physician or midwife
2) “In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before ‘the local registrar of the district.”
3)Another opportunity arises because of the law in force in 1961 in Hawaii that if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a ‘Delayed Certificate’ could be filed, which required that ‘a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates,’ which ‘evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
4) Finally, a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth is available for those born in Hawaii without attendance and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed.
There actually was one further option, but it didn’t become law until 1982, the report said. Under Act 182, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
19 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
20 Punahou grade school records
All other Presidents have provided these personal documents, why is 0bama not held to the same standard?
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