UPI: 'Birther': She has Obama birth certificate

United Press International ^ | August 4, 2009 | UPI Staff

[real_patriotic_american]

MISSION VIEJO, Calif., Aug. 4 (UPI) -- A California lawyer who has filed a lawsuit alleging President Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen says she has a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate.

Orly Taitz of Mission Viejo, a leading "birther," filed a motion over the weekend for quick action on her lawsuit, The Orange County Register reported. She acknowledged the Kenyan document might be a forgery and asked U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to request verification from the Kenyan government.

"There are no ready means of authentication except by recovery of the original document," she said in her filing. "It is also apparent ... that political pressure may be brought to bear to destroy all relevant evidence, whether such evidence exists within or outside the borders of the United States of America."

Proof that Obama was born in Hawaii includes his birth certificate there, statements of Hawaiian officials and a birth notice in a Honolulu newspaper.

Taitz's document, described as a certified copy, says Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, in a hospital in Mombasa. The document is dated Feb. 17, 1964, and stamped Republic of Kenya.

Media Matters for America, a Democratic-leaning watchdog group, says Kenya did not become a Republic until later in 1964.

[mojitojoe]

Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate that she possesses fits the proper timeline. It was probably prepared for presentation for the divorce of Obama’s parents in 1964.
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That is the one thing that really disturbs me and keeps me from calling it a fake. If it is, someone really thought this through.

[TLI]

Well, I have not yet to seen proof that the birth certificate in Orly Taitz possession is a forgery- maybe it is authentic.

There is one very easy way to prove it is a forgery...

[mad_as_he$$]

Unless he off the reservation. then they will squah him.

[Aliska]

Interesting stuff there, but would a legit Kenyan BC have been in English? Since they were under GB at some point, it is possible that wouldn't be a hurdle.

But isn't and wasn't Kenya predominately a Muslim country? Why would they refer to "Christian" names on that alleged Kenyan BC? A carryover from the British?

[Balding_Eagle]

RIght now it’s in BHO’s political interest to keep this boiling along.

If he can show a real BC in the future he will win big on this issue. I don’t think he can, and we can do a lot of political damage to him instead, even without any BC.

[HelenaGrace]

My thoughts exactly. If you have critical, private data that can destroy you and you need someone reliable to get it for you...You send Hillary Clinton?

[ncfool]

Who is funding Orly? This is an expensive case and somebody must be bankrolling her.

Is it good folks on our side or Axelrod and Soros?

[Salvation]

Hmmm.

Now do we do a triple take?

[Dajjal]

obumpa

[crazyhorse691]

Nope...the posts you mentioned are correct as was mine about the date of Commonwealth Republic status(which has nothing to do with the British Commonwealth)...it was the date of Commonwealth Republic that the libtards have incorrectly latched on as the date of the Republic founding...two different things(and it appears they sanitized the Wikipedia entry in the process).Sorry if I wasn't clear.

[KarenMarie]

“Who is funding Orly? This is an expensive case and somebody must be bankrolling her. Is it good folks on our side or Axelrod and Soros? “

That is a great question and one for which I have no answer. Your question has now made me wonder... is she a good witch or a bad witch.

[KTM rider]

Interesting stuff there, but would a legit Kenyan BC have been in English? Since they were under GB at some point, it is possible that wouldn't be a hurdle. But isn't and wasn't Kenya predominately a Muslim country? Why would they refer to "Christian" names on that alleged Kenyan BC? A carryover from the British? "

English was the business language and christian names were for the educated who wanted to succeed. Some concepts of government cannot be described with languages like swahili

as with all colonialized countries in africa the turnover to self rule was a tedious process. According to my uncle who flew personell around Africa for Mobil oil in the 1960's-70's, they wanted to self govern but had absolutely no clue as how to administrate, keep records or maintain infrastructure.

According to the encyclopedia, kenya has always been diverse with about 10% muslim.

In other words,

just because the turnover was official in 1964 does not in itself debunk the BC.

[MHGinTN]

The bloody Raila would have to have an awfully long machete to reach all the way to London don’tchaknow.

[1234]

,,,Nobody has brought out any more about the draft registration that appeared on Debbie Schlussel's site AFAIC. That was interesting, could be another forgery either way.

i thought that it was shown convincingly to be a forgery, but the gubmint ain't acting on the 'report'.

[bethybabes69]

IF POTUS Obama was indeed born in Kenya and the BC is authentic....a copy would be in England, would it not?

I would imagine so, if Obama was born in 1961, there's no doubt that he was born in British Colonial Kenya, regardless of the question of the date of issue of the certificate.

According to this article:
"In Kenya, birth registration became compulsory for whites in 1904. For all birth, death and marriage certificates, you will need to contact the Department of Civil Registration in Nairobi.
If your ancestors were of British origin but were born in Kenya, the civil registration documents may possibly be available in the UK. The National Archives, Kew hold records relating to records kept by British consulates abroad and at sea. From the nineteenth century they were obliged to send the records that they recorded to the General Register Office of England and Wales. The army also kept its own registers for at home and abroad."

There's an issue that Kenya ceased to be a Colonial entity on Dec 12th 1963, but didn't officially declare itself a Republic until August the 14th 1964 [see here].
So what happened in the void between is becoming an issue, the 'Dominion Era', but one could expect that following the withdrawal of Colonial rule in 1963, they ceased to issue birth certificates under direction of colonial protocol, which may explain the 'Republic' issue on the certificate in question, whilst Kenya not officially being declared a 'Republic', and was still a 'Dominion of the British Empire', just throwing ideas here.

Surely an acid test would be to raise some other birth certificates from the same period, and see how they were processed, and compare to the certificate in question.

[some census info on colonial protectorates here]

[DouglasKC]

This birth certificate made it into Conan O'Brians monologue last night. Of course the slant was that it was fake and they showed a comedically altered copy of it.

But still...it's burst into the mainstream. There's no stopping it.

[MamaTexan]

a Democratic -leaning watchdog group, noted that Kenya did not become a Republic until later in 1964.

1963 Kenyan Constitution declared Kenya to be a Republic.

AND

Chapter 6 - Citizenship - Section 87
Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on llth December. 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963: Provided that a person shall not become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of this subsection if neither of his parents was born in Kenya.

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall,if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.

We don't need the birth certificate.

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Zero became a citizen of Kenya on the basis of his father's citizenship even IF he was born in Hawaii.

[Arthur McGowan]

The question is: If the document pans out, will Hillary! reveal the truth, or conceal it? If the document doesn’t pan out, will Hillary! reveal the truth, or conceal it?

[mlo]

What’s false about it?

[real_patriotic_american]

Thanks MamaTexan!

Read this great post (and the last sentence):

MamaTexan wrote in message #77-

“a Democratic -leaning watchdog group, noted that Kenya did not become a Republic until later in 1964.
1963 Kenyan Constitution declared Kenya to be a Republic.

AND

Chapter 6 - Citizenship - Section 87
Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on llth December. 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963: Provided that a person shall not become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of this subsection if neither of his parents was born in Kenya.

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall,if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.

We don’t need the birth certificate.

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Zero became a citizen of Kenya on the basis of his father’s citizenship even IF he was born in Hawaii.”