First image= 1959
Second image=1964?
Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
We’ve got another live one ...
Oh I see, once the reasoning gets to complicated for you to follow you resort to insults.
Let me break down for your simple little mind: Barry has a Kenyan father. Barry is therefore not POTUS eligible. End of story. This focus on the birth certificate is a waste of time.
Got it?
Maybe we can get back on topic. This is a great summary from Newsmax if you missed it.
---------------------------------------------------- Lou Dobbs Right on Obama Birth Certificate
Monday, August 3, 2009 9:48 AM
By: Newsmax Staff Article Font Size
The Associated Press is wrong and Lou Dobbs is right.
This past weekend, the AP published a story entitled "CNN's Dobbs Under Fire for Hosting 'Birthers'".
The AP began their highly critical story on Dobbs: "He's become a publicity nightmare for CNN, embarrassed his boss and hosted a show that seemed to contradict the network's 'no bias' brand."
And what is Dobbs' "crime?" He has said on air that Obama should release his birth certificate and has had on his show guests who suggested Obama was born outside the U.S.
Dobbs does not believe Obama was born outside the U.S., nor does Newsmax. The evidence indicates he was born in Hawaii. But the indisputable fact is that Obama has not released his birth certificate, which the state of Hawaii issues for all citizens born there. The AP implies that Obama has not released a "long version of his birth certificate." But Obama has never released either a long or short version of his birth certificate.
Instead, Obama's campaign last year released only his Certification of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate. Even state residents born outside the U.S. can get one.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.
Obama likewise could put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure.
This information is not provided on the Certification of Live Birth.
As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose birthplace is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.
Obama’s refusal to release his birth certificate does mean that Obama remains one of America’s most mysterious and opaque presidents ever.
Obama, for example, has not released many other documents regarding his public and private life.
Many of these documents were sought by reporters, who easily acquiesced when Obama said he would not release them – though most presidential candidates release them as a perfunctory matter.
Among the key documents that Obama continues to shield from the public:
• Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hand, released what he said was his complete medical file, totaling more than 1,500 pages.
• Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois. Nor did he produce correspondence, such as his schedules of appointments or letters from lobbyists, from his days in the Illinois state Senate.
• Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records. He maintained that he performed only a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June 2008 but did not release billing records that would prove this assertion.
• Obama ignored requests for his records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.
• Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Former President George W. Bush and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry all released their college transcripts.
• Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois State Bar, which would have cleared up intermittent allegations that his application may have been inaccurate.
• Obama did not release records from his time at Harvard Law School.
• During the presidential campaign, McCain’s campaign released a full list of all online donors. Obama’s campaign still has not released the names of those who donated at least one-third of the $750 million he raised.
Ironically, Obama accused the Bush White House of being "one of the most secretive administrations in our history," and chided then-Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.
I've been trying to make that clear for a very long time. Unfortunately the image was undated. But looking at Stanley Armour in that image and several taken a few short years later (with the boy in Hawaii when the boy appeared to be between two and three years of age) when Stanley Armour looked A WHOLE LOT OLDER IT HAS TO BE 1959, the year of Obama sr arrival.
Obama Sr was never just 'a student from Kenya' he was an ACTIVIST.
Want to know more history? Go to:
start at #27
“Children born on US soil of a natural born US citizen, regardless of the age of the mother are natural born citizens.”
Yes, if the father is a Citizen at the time of the birth.
bookmark
Every President born before the adoption of the Constitution was eligible because of the grandfather clause of Article 2, Section 1 :
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
JAMES BUCHANAN
The first President we must examine then was James Buchanan, 14th President of the United States. He was born on April 23, 1791 in Mercersburg, Pennsylvania. He just missed out on the grandfather clause as the Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787, by the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Buchanan was also the only President from Pennsylvania and the only President never to marry.
His mother Elizabeth Speer was born in Pennsylvania. His father James Buchanan emigrated to the United States from Ireland in 1783. It was an interesting year for the United States as the Treaty of 1783 was signed between the US and Great Britain. Colonists chose to be United States citizens and by virtue of the Treaty, Great Britain recognized those former subjects as United States citizens.
Before the Constitution, United States citizenship was conferred on citizens by the States. When the Constitution was ratified, each citizen of a state became a citizen of the United States. No formal naturalization was needed.
On June 21, 1788 the Constitution was ratified. The Buchanans were citizens of Pennsylvania and therefore James Sr. was a citizen of the United States. When James Jr. was born in Pennsylvania he was therefore a natural born citizen, born on United States soil to two US citizen parents.
Every President born before the adoption of the Constitution was eligible because of the grandfather clause of Article 2, Section 1 :
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
JAMES BUCHANAN
The first President we must examine then was James Buchanan, 14th President of the United States. He was born on April 23, 1791 in Mercersburg, Pennsylvania. He just missed out on the grandfather clause as the Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787, by the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Buchanan was also the only President from Pennsylvania and the only President never to marry.
His mother Elizabeth Speer was born in Pennsylvania. His father James Buchanan emigrated to the United States from Ireland in 1783. It was an interesting year for the United States as the Treaty of 1783 was signed between the US and Great Britain. Colonists chose to be United States citizens and by virtue of the Treaty, Great Britain recognized those former subjects as United States citizens.
Before the Constitution, United States citizenship was conferred on citizens by the States. When the Constitution was ratified, each citizen of a state became a citizen of the United States. No formal naturalization was needed.
On June 21, 1788 the Constitution was ratified. The Buchanans were citizens of Pennsylvania and therefore James Sr. was a citizen of the United States. When James Jr. was born in Pennsylvania he was therefore a natural born citizen, born on United States soil to two US citizen parents.
I've generally been avoiding this Kenyan BC business, but ... my, my. This is going to be colorful!
Where's that animated popcorn GIF when you need it, lol?
(I do agree with your brief synopsis of the BC as relates to Obama's eligibility, btw)
state department:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person
who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born
citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and,
therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that “No
Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of
President;”
c. The Constitution does not define “natural born”. The “Act to establish an
Uniform Rule of Naturalization”, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat.
103,104) provided that, “...the children of citizens of the United States,
that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be
considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship
shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in
the United States.”
U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs
7 FAM 1130 Page 9 of 103
d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not
included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that
someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not
necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes
Well, the way I see it, the number *one* big thing that everyone is talking about is “seeing the birth certificate*... I would say that this is the big focus, and always has been from before the time of the election.
Sure there are other “political issues” even today, issues having to do with legislation and his foreign policy and so on. But, that’s not what everyone is talking about on *these particular threads*. It always comes down to just this one thing — showing the birth certificate. That’s the core issue.
So, I figure that if everyone is focused on that one thing, and if they realize that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate — then *automatically* — the very next thing that has to happen is that *anyone* would say “make it legally mandatory*... that’s only natural.
And thus, that’s why I’ve always focused on the *one solution* to the *one problem* that everyone has talked about...
And that *one solution* that I’m talking about (which would stop all the talking on all the threads) is to make it *legally mandatory* that a candidate must show his birth certificate, or else he cannot be placed on the ballot...
—
That’s why I say that my basic position comes down to the following...
(1) I’m going to go by the official Hawaii pronouncement, unless something solid comes up (in a court of law) that disproves it.
(2) Since everyone wants to see the birth certificate, I’m going to continue to work for enacting a state law for that purpose (Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Azrizona already working on it).
(3) The issue of natural born, as far as parents and their citizenship, I’m going to let the Supreme Court decide on it and I’ll take their decision.
That’s where it boils down for me right now...
In order for it to be used in court it must be verified and the chain of custody must be established before it can be used as a legit document in court of law. Orley request to the court was as much to establish the custody chain as to verify it's content. Hopefully the judge has ordered his officials to procure the instrument.....We won't know the outcome until the court releases the information.....Hopefully they are in the air as we type. Wheels of justice move slowly. But they ae moving...People in the know who have freepmailed me said the shoe will fall soon.
By your logic Obama’s two daughter’s are not natural born citizens.
The focus of this thread is for Obama to show his real birth certificate. Sell your ideas on your own thread, on your own topic.
First image= 1959
Second image=1964?
Obama accused the Bush White House of being “one of the most secretive administrations in our history,”
Typical marxist comment:
“Accuse others of what you do.”
—Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
“By your logic Obama’s two daughter’s are not natural born citizens”
If their mom and dad were citizens when they were born, they are definitely NBC’s
And, what in my logic made you come up with that idiotic statement?
Running out of cyber commas to insert into the Constitution are ya?
Is that your finale answer?
Do you wish to phone a friend?
I don’t see Abercrombie there...in that group photo.
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