Posted on 08/01/2009 3:52:05 AM PDT by Kaslin
Good read.
thanks
I am not sure I would give that much credit for the turn around in public opinion to Carrie Prejean, but I give her lots of credit for taking a stand on the issue in front of a hostile crowd of judges. She had to know nearly all the judges would be huge pro-gay marriage supporters.
For the sake of the nation's survival, I sincerely hope this is true.
I pseudo-blogged this odious subject until I just burned out:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083139/posts
A Gay ( or not! ) Old Time- GM links
various FR links | 02-22-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
But here is the Money Quote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083139/posts?page=266#266
“Heres actor John Barrowman on what it really means:
‘Its been a long wait but we legitimised our relationship to each other a long time ago when we signed our mortgages together and this is just something that forces people who dont want to recognise it that they have to.’
No room for misquote there then. Yes, indeed. It was never about folks solemnly waiting for the State to endorse their lifestyles, it was always about using the power of Big Government to impose their lifestyle on third parties”
When a gay marriage proposition was defeated in Oregon of all places I knew it was not going to be a shoe in and these folks had a tough fight they probably can not win (THANK God)!
Sure did!
Showed us what BALLS were like!
The King has NO clothes!!!
Genesis 13:13 Now
the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.
Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed,
Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men. More? |
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....
“I’m not sure I would give that much credit...”
I agree, although I admire her stand. I think there is no question that our society has become more tolerant of homosexuality, although I think the Gay Rights movement has overplayed their hand. There are a lot of “live and let live” folks out there, and when the argument was that 2 consenting adults shouldn’t be arrested, or people shouldn’t be persecuted for being gay, people went along with it. Now, as they demand the right to marry, and their public behavior grows ever more outlandish, the “live and let live” crowd is saying enough.-—JM
Funny thing is, many liberal Bible scholars try to deny the factual historicity of Sodom and Gomorrah, or write off their fate as just some ancient myth or allegory. Still others claim that the two cities just suffered a natural calamity that was "blamed" on God, etc. The fairy tales liberals can come up with are very amusing, for sure. But the events that took place at those two ancient, perverse cities are definitely not a subject modern perverts would want to acknowledge as being true! |
Well you ya gonna believe? Some lunatic liar (and his enablers) that got himself crucified, or modern wise men?
Just goes to show: never underestimate the impact one person can make, nor the impact from one principled conscientious stand for what one believes to be right.
The problem is that you still have judges who want gay marriage and don’t care a whit about public opinion. That and liberal State legislatures who are only too happy to comply with their decrees.
It’s the same thing as abortion, they do what is evil and they know it. They believe the laws of men will give sanction for their wickedness.
Law or no law, it is unnatural to a vast majority of the population ~ and by that I mean the population of humans, not just Americans ~ and it can never be elevated to anything near marriage between a man and woman.
Regardless, the end result has been a culture that is not only tolerant of this behavior, but also seems to be welcoming to it, or views homosexuality as something which is benign.
I first had this discussion of a woman marrying another woman about 12 years ago, at that time I had never even heard of or even given thought to it, now it is discussed in terms that make a person a bigot or intolerant, on a par of raciscm, if they do not accept such ridiculous notions.
I’ll go one step further and tell you that I do not consider what 2 individuals of the same sex do with one another to be considered sexual intercourse. In my eyes, it is not.
I believe a good bit of the social and political upheaval that is going on in our nation today is a direct result of the immoral and promiscuous nature of so many of our fellow Americans. Hopefully, all of it can be changed, otherwise I don’t have a lot of hope for our country.
I’m not sure this will ever come to SCOTUS, but will continue to be fought on a state by state basis.
What’s scary though is the breakdown of this issue among age groups.
http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/archives/2009/06/future_trends_f_1.html
Is gay marriage the same as heterosexual marriage?
Well, if you ordered a $40 steak in a restaurant and they brought you a hamburger would you complain?
Hamburger is steak....just different.
However, we do not define the two as the same and we do not allow one to be substituted for the other.
No room for misquote there then. Yes, indeed. It was never about folks solemnly waiting for the State to endorse their lifestyles, it was always about using the power of Big Government to impose their lifestyle on third parties
It's always been my opinion that for all practical purposes LGBT (Lesbian-Gay-Bi-Transgender) people have arrived when they can be out to everyone about how they want to live their lives and have the same legal rights as everyone else (not be subject to harassment, have the ability to sign legal contracts together, assign partner benefits to their chosen partner, etc.).
But beyond that, as I have tried to explain to my gay friends, I personally think that it's just as morally wrong to force others to have to accept what you are doing is right regardless of their personal beliefs as it would be for them to try to prevent you from living your life in the way that you think is right for you.
I like the article Tammy Bruce did on the subject some time ago. http://frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=14020
A lot of people took the side of the perverted homosexuals out of fear. As we have seen repeatedly if anyone that speaks out against the perversion of homosexuality pays dearly.
If what the perverted homosexuals chant about the perverted homosexuality lifestyle choice is so good. Then why the need to use fear to push it?
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