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T. Rex Teeth Take a Bite Out of Evolution
ICR ^ | July 17, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 07/17/2009 9:28:19 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

A set of fossilized Tyrannosaurus rex teeth was found in a rock layer that it had no business being in, according to evolutionary interpretations. Discovered in Hyogo, Japan, the teeth came from a 15-foot-tall dinosaur entombed in early Cretaceous rock, supposedly deposited 140 million years ago.

The problem is that T. rex dinosaurs of this large size are not supposed to have evolved until about 30 million years later. Thus, what is “known” about dinosaurs must undergo drastic revision.[1] Haruo Saegusa, a curator at the Museum of Nature and Human Activities, recently told JapanToday, ‘‘If the dinosaur belongs to the same era of the strata [early Cretaceous], the tyrannosaurus could have started to grow larger much earlier than previously thought.’’[2] The thought seems to be that merely adjusting evolutionary development backward will be enough to make the fossil fit the strata.

But the very concept of strata representing “eras” does not come from the strata themselves. That concept began with eighteenth-century French naturalist Georges Cuvier, and it has been in vogue ever since, despite the fact that it causes more problems for interpreting rock strata than it solves, and stands in stark contrast to scriptural history. Young-earth creation geologists have long held that most sedimentary strata—including the Cretaceous layer in which these teeth were found—resulted from waterborne deposits during Noah’s Flood that may harbor fossils from a particular local environment, but do not represent a particular “era.”

The assignment of a certain number of “millions of years” to a rock formation does not derive from the strata either. It is another assumption that is used to prescribe what constitutes “valid” interpretations.

Radioisotope dating is used to bolster the vast time spans ascribed to the geologic record. However, geologist John Woodmorappe cogently revealed that the radio dates are actually hand-picked to coincide with the dates already assigned from the geologic column diagram. ICR’s RATE research also conclusively demonstrated with independent lines of evidence that radioactive decay rates, widely used to bolster deep time, were dramatically accelerated in the past.[4]

Many other natural processes—like the recession rate of the moon, the decay of earth’s magnetic field, or the diffusion of helium from zircon crystals in granite—can be used, along with some basic assumptions, to measure the age of the earth, but these methods give maximum dates that are incompatible with evolutionary time spans.

Thus, the nineteenth-century strata/age/era correlation is in serious trouble. However, an oversized T. rex found in the “wrong age” and the “wrong time” doesn’t surprise creation scientists. If the rock that these T. rex fossil teeth was found in was indeed deposited during the year-long Noahic Flood, then it is easy to explain why a large dinosaur is found mixed in with smaller ones.

There never was an “era of smaller T-rex dinosaurs,” but there was an unimaginably massive Flood that wiped out whole environments, layering and sorting sediments and fossilizing the creatures buried therein.

References (for ref. links, go to original--GGG)

1. For recent examples of drastic evolutionary revisions, see Sherwin, F. The Devastating Issue of Dinosaur Tissue. ICR News. Posted on icr.org June 1, 2005, accessed June 25, 2009; Thomas, B. Data Derails Dinosaur Dominance Idea. ICR News. Posted on icr.org September 18, 2008, accessed June 25, 2009; Thomas, B. Dinosaur Fossil Erases 40 Million Years. ICR News. Posted on icr.org June 23, 2008, accessed June 25, 2009. 2. Teeth of tyrannosaurus ancestor dating back 140 mil years found in Hyogo. JapanToday. Posted on japantoday.com June 20, 2009, accessed June 24, 2009. 3. Woodmorappe, J. 1999. The Mythology of Modern Dating Methods. El Cajon, CA: Institute for Creation Research, 27-49. 4. Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth (RATE). Posted on icr.org.

* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.


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To: Kozak; tpanther; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; valkyry1; Mr. Silverback

Why don’t we teach the “Moron with an attitude version” of Evil-delusion.

Preefesser Kozak preeziding...

Don’t mean to be coy (no I guess I do) but you guys are just such complete jerks I can hardly stand it. The “myth” is coming from the Evolution crowd that refuses to admit they ain’t go squat in the way of proof of their ridiculous theory.

You can be stinking apes if you like. I’m perfectly happy being a child of Jehovah God. Pearls before swine and the like... whine all you like about being treated badly by Christians, but the difference with you folks is you know the truth and refuse to believe it.

So keep on preaching your religion of godlessness and we’ll keep trying to convert folks to something that gives them real hope. You have nothing to offer but the shallow, baseless Obama kind of hope. How you think that’s gonna work out for you and your disciples?


201 posted on 07/23/2009 7:07:37 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: count-your-change
No, you just won't be able to in any way suggest Darwinism or more broadly, evolution has taken place in any way shape or form at any time or is in some way detectable by any means or is responsible for the material universe in any part. But of course your personal beliefs are your affair so long as you don't mention them in front of a class.

If creation is not to be taught then let's get it out of the classroom now.

So you can present the evidence, and you can think it suggests evolution, but you cannot say so, or communicate that to anyone else?

202 posted on 07/23/2009 7:37:39 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
Look at homeschooling, which is by and large Christian.

Most of them teach evolution along with creation and ID, something the liberals and you evos want to deny public school children around the country.

We have examples of public education in other countries that disallow teaching evolution at all. Wouldn't that be a better test, since we're talking about comparing our scientific and academic achievements with the rest of the world, on the premise that theirs ours have become inferior as a result of teaching evolution?

203 posted on 07/23/2009 7:42:40 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Comparing within our country, which reduces other factors such as work ethic and cultural considerations, is going to be more accurate.

So why, if evolution is the supposed to be a panacea for the science education woes of our country, is science education continuing to deteriorate in public schools in light of the fact that only evolution is taught there, while homeschoolers, who teach creation and ID in addition to evolution, do better?


204 posted on 07/23/2009 7:49:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!


205 posted on 07/23/2009 8:01:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom
Comparing within our country, which reduces other factors such as work ethic and cultural considerations, is going to be more accurate.

And show us how teaching evolution only in public schools has improved our science ranking and educational standing in the world.

There's the goal post. You put it there. Comparing within our country won't give you any information about our science ranking and educational standing compared to the rest of the world.

206 posted on 07/23/2009 8:10:56 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Do you want creation out of the schools or not? If you want it out Darwinism has to go too right along with anything that resembles evolution.

Creation in or creation out?


207 posted on 07/23/2009 8:22:29 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tacticalogic
Will we have to scrub geology, astrophysics, palentology, archaeology, etc. of any reference to a date prior to an actual observed event?

There is no proof that an observed event in the past is an observed event. It may have been programmed into our memory cells by the Creator so as to give us a past that we can connect too.

208 posted on 07/23/2009 8:56:19 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: count-your-change

Looks like a dog in the manger approach.


209 posted on 07/24/2009 3:29:45 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ColdWater
There is no proof that an observed event in the past is an observed event. It may have been programmed into our memory cells by the Creator so as to give us a past that we can connect too.

Indeed. The assertion that a past observed event was actually observed would offend the Last Thursdayists.

210 posted on 07/24/2009 3:34:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Gordon Greene

You know NOTHING of my religious belief. YOU can be the idiot Know Nothing Fundy Holy Roller Snake Handling Tongue Talking Bible Thumper. My God is a little more nuanced then yours. And my version of Christianity is about 1400 years older then yours. In fact it’s the one that specified exactly what went into the Bible. Believe what you will it’s your faith. Don’t pretend it’s science.


211 posted on 07/24/2009 4:59:18 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Kozak; metmom; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; Mr. Silverback

“You know NOTHING of my religious belief. YOU can be the idiot Know Nothing Fundy Holy Roller Snake Handling Tongue Talking Bible Thumper. My God is a little more nuanced then yours. And my version of Christianity is about 1400 years older then yours. In fact it’s the one that specified exactly what went into the Bible. Believe what you will it’s your faith. Don’t pretend it’s science.”

I apparently hit my target... good! I find it quaint when somebody can dish it but can’t take it. It’s a sign of great insecurity in ones’ faith.

And you’re a commedian too! Either that or you have a strange sense of time and space. Your version of “Christianity” apparently makes Jesus have lived about 3400 years ago. Is that the same science you use to support your evolution theory?

By the way... I’ll leave the snake handlin’ to others, but thump the bible I reckon I do. Thanks for making my morning entertainment, friend. That was fun!


212 posted on 07/24/2009 5:11:28 AM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: Kozak; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode
You know NOTHING of my religious belief. YOU can be the idiot Know Nothing Fundy Holy Roller Snake Handling Tongue Talking Bible Thumper. My God is a little more nuanced then yours. And my version of Christianity is about 1400 years older then yours. In fact it’s the one that specified exactly what went into the Bible. Believe what you will it’s your faith. Don’t pretend it’s science.

Why not? Evos call the conclusions based extrapolations based on forensic evidence of more likely that not suspect fossils, "science".

Geez, yer slipping. You forgot, YEC, Talibanesque, islamist, geocentrist, flat-earther, moon landing hoaxer, Luddite, theocrat.

All evos like Darwin have done is create their own creation account that excludes God. If you want to buy it, fine. But don't pretend it's science.

213 posted on 07/24/2009 5:48:02 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

You Cretins have no idea how science really works.
By the way evolution does not exclude God or belief in same. Thats another canard flung around like dung by the Cretins.


214 posted on 07/24/2009 7:43:51 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Kozak

It denies that He’s needed.

It claims that naturalistic explanations are enough to account for the variety of life we see today.

Yup, that’s excluding God. He’s become unnecessary.


215 posted on 07/24/2009 8:01:28 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gordon Greene
And you’re a commedian too! Either that or you have a strange sense of time and space. Your version of “Christianity” apparently makes Jesus have lived about 3400 years ago. Is that the same science you use to support your evolution theory?

By the way... I’ll leave the snake handlin’ to others, but thump the bible I reckon I do.

LOL! That's funny. :)

216 posted on 07/24/2009 11:02:26 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

“LOL! That’s funny. :)”

Thank you very much... I’ll be here all week <{{><


217 posted on 07/24/2009 12:22:34 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The various chapters of Creo Science Experts have all sent teams to examine all the T Rex teeth in all the museums of the world, but to date, have found none stamped “Made by God”


218 posted on 07/24/2009 12:26:47 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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To: metmom

Nope you are wrong. Because while evolution explains how species arise over time, it does not address the beginning of our universe. My God, billions of years ago created a universe, with laws and conditions that ultimately led to life on Earth, and eventually humans. You are just too blind to see it.


219 posted on 07/24/2009 1:21:46 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: ColdWater

If no one gave you the keys to science, let alone earth age, then how do you then jump to asking these questions? Because certainly no one would give you any credence on forming parameters here either.


220 posted on 07/24/2009 1:29:48 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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