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Secession talk just getting started (Texas)
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 29, 2009 | PEGGY FIKAC

Posted on 06/29/2009 4:28:40 AM PDT by cbkaty

Still, even his explanations tend to end with a question mark, like this one earlier this year: “I see absolutely no reason for Texas to leave. But if Washington continues to disregard the states and continues to try to force states to change the way that they govern, who knows what may happen?”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; cwii; donttreadonme; liberty; secession; statesrights; texas
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To: savedbygrace

AND those blades are made in China. No wonder they need replacing. Is fiberglass an oil based material?


241 posted on 06/30/2009 6:57:46 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: Allegra
Setting up a country isn’t easy or cheap...

Nah, but a bunch of us have recent and current experience participating in setting up one that is even harder to establish, so that will be beneficial. :)

Hooah!

242 posted on 06/30/2009 7:28:09 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Summer '09)
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To: RJS1950

Secession is the last resort...simply the threat may be effective enough.....


243 posted on 06/30/2009 8:00:58 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well then since you asserted the spending to be unconstitutional then I anxiously await your proof.

Nice try. YOU asserted to be owed, so the burden of proof is on you.

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Then were is the incentive to resolve any area of disagreement? If you've walked away from the debt and the obligations and the responsibility and taken every piece of community property you could get your paws on then where does that leave the rest of us?

Why are you whining about being wronged? NO ONE is talking about walking away from a debt EXCEPT YOU. Why do you assume such a thing will occur? Why do you ASSUME you will be left 'holding the bag'? Why do you ASSUME the remaining states won't be compensated in some way?

That's right.... you're the master of creating a straw-man argument while simultaneously NOT addressing any other statements made EXCEPT your own.

It's like your in your own little world.

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Ah yes, I keep forgetting. You're the one who says Congress has no authority outside D.C. aren't you?

See above.

244 posted on 06/30/2009 8:13:12 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT an administrative, corporate, collective, legal, political or public entity or ~person~)
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To: RJS1950
Secession! Oh sure, screw the constitution and walk away.

Very much more of taking the Constitution and providing it an environment where it is given more than lip service; where it can thrive and guide as originally intended.

245 posted on 06/30/2009 8:32:41 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Summer '09)
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To: Blackacre
Why not?

because we would rather leave it to those that deserve it....it's simply a gentlemanly and honest concern of honorable Texians.....

246 posted on 06/30/2009 9:43:43 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: BenKenobi
The US refused to do the same to Britain. Did the US pay money to Britain when they demanded independence? No. I don’t see why the folks from Texas should do the same.

The difference is that American colonists were not represented in the English Parliament, so they had no say in whether or not to rack up the debt. Texans, on the other hand, elect Congressmen like any other State (and as one of the biggest State, Texas exerts more influence on the Federal budget than most States).

247 posted on 06/30/2009 9:59:52 AM PDT by Blackacre
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To: cbkaty
because we would rather leave it to those that deserve it....it's simply a gentlemanly and honest concern of honorable Texians.....

If you think Texan Congressmen (and Presidents) are any less guilty in racking up the national debt than others, you're living in a dream world.

248 posted on 06/30/2009 10:02:53 AM PDT by Blackacre
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To: Blackacre
If you think Texan Congressmen (and Presidents) are any less guilty in racking up the national debt than others, you're living in a dream world.

I refuse to accept the concept that I am somehow responsible for the national debt..... I have paid my way for an entire life.....and have never accepted a dime of assistance nor a dime of SSI...nor a dime of anything from the feds...

I and my family live, eat, and breath because I provide....no gubmint agent ever came around here with a spare tit to feed my family....So as a Texian I respectfully request that you get the hell off my back because...I WILL BE FREE.....with or without your permission.....

249 posted on 06/30/2009 10:19:48 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
I refuse to accept the concept that I am somehow responsible for the national debt..... I have paid my way for an entire life.....and have never accepted a dime of assistance nor a dime of SSI...nor a dime of anything from the feds...

As a citizen of a representative republic, at the end of the day you share responsibility with the rest of us for the actions of our elected representatives. All States love to put their noses in the Federal troughs. You may not have received money directly, but, like the rest of us, you have received the benefits of things like defense spending and the like. You can't simply wash your hands of that spending just because you don't like it.

So as a Texian I respectfully request that you get the hell off my back because...I WILL BE FREE.....with or without your permission.....

If Texas wants to go, it can go. But don't expect to be able to just dump your fair share of the national debt, since Texans helped create it, just like everyone else.

250 posted on 06/30/2009 10:32:53 AM PDT by Blackacre
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To: Blackacre
If Texas wants to go, it can go. But don't expect to be able to just dump your fair share of the national debt, since Texans helped create it, just like everyone else.

OK....So we will obey the rules of the fools....I know when I've been licked...................all over....

Send us the bill:
Box 305
Washington TX 77880-0305
936/878-2214
Washington.Brazos@tpwd.state.tx.us


251 posted on 06/30/2009 10:53:41 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
but I respect the Vermont march to freedom....

It is a march to marxist slavery not freedom. They want what is essentially a communist state.

252 posted on 06/30/2009 3:46:51 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Lexinom

I would hope for the same thing. However, it does not appear that those who wish to “control” will allow anyone to escape without MUCH resistance.


253 posted on 06/30/2009 4:00:29 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: Nuc1
It is a march to marxist slavery not freedom. They want what is essentially a communist state.

Fine with me....we have to have a place to dump the idiots too.....don't bringem to Texas......OK?

254 posted on 06/30/2009 4:11:41 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
I believe that several states have active movements...Vermont's movement may be larger than Texas....

The fact is, many that never gave a thought to secession, are now actively engaged....

Actually, New England was very "states' rights" during the Jefferson administration (the Essex Junto) and the War of 1812 ("blue light" Federalists, the Hartford Convention).

Also many northern states invoked states' rights to combat the fugitive slave law.

Actually, whether one advocates federal or local supremacy seems to depend on whether one holds federal power.

255 posted on 06/30/2009 4:17:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayiftach HaShem 'et-pi ha'aton vato'mer leVil`am meh-`asiti lekha ki hikkitani zeh shalosh regalim)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Actually, whether one advocates federal or local supremacy seems to depend on whether one holds federal power.

Go to the head of the class.........power resides with the people....the powers not delegated stay with the state or the people....

256 posted on 06/30/2009 4:21:45 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
New England also pioneered the idea of state governments "interposing" themselves between their citizens and the Federal Government when there was talk of a draft during the War of 1812. The Federalists also, forgetting the loose construction they had advocated when in power, started questioning the Constitutionality of the Louisiana Purchase and a military draft because these things were not explicitly written in the Constitution.

And of course, Jefferson Davis, the "hero" of "states' righters," basically ran a centralized dictatorship in the Confederacy.

Once again, ideology seems predicated on where one's interests lie.

257 posted on 06/30/2009 4:22:37 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayiftach HaShem 'et-pi ha'aton vato'mer leVil`am meh-`asiti lekha ki hikkitani zeh shalosh regalim)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
And of course, Jefferson Davis, the "hero" of "states' righters," basically ran a centralized dictatorship in the Confederacy.

State your basis honorable Zionist....

Have we elected a 21st century ruler with questionable intent.....

258 posted on 06/30/2009 4:55:59 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Blackacre

If I’m not mistaken, Texas receives less from the fed than it gives.


259 posted on 06/30/2009 4:58:12 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
If I’m not mistaken, Texas receives less from the fed than it gives.

That's true of all states that have no income tax. Most of the money that would go to state income taxes goes directly to Washington.

But Texas is usually close to the break-even point in spite of not having an income tax. So while the state does receive less than they send to Washington, its Representatives are able to swing an awful lot of spending to the state.

260 posted on 06/30/2009 5:07:40 PM PDT by x
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