Posted on 06/29/2009 4:28:40 AM PDT by cbkaty
Still, even his explanations tend to end with a question mark, like this one earlier this year: “I see absolutely no reason for Texas to leave. But if Washington continues to disregard the states and continues to try to force states to change the way that they govern, who knows what may happen?”
(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...
Texans are bound only by the limits of their own dreams...and actions...
I refer you to the Declaration of Independence my respected friend....
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Texas shouldn’t have any “share of the federal debt” if they sucede. They have the TX National Guard; they have diplomats, and they have a gutful of regulatory agencies we don’t need. In what fairy tale do you think our food is actually inspected?? They need nothing but local judges and local schools - what agencies?? State money (tax sent to DC, returned to the state but only in part) pays for food stamps - unemployment is State (with Fed meddling). SS/SSD can be dealt with. Air traffic control? Excuse me, Texas doesn’t have control towers at their airports? Setting up a country ... exactly why? Texas is already a sovereign state. And it was a free Republic before it was a state.
I’m old and I don’t have any degrees; this is oversimplification and partly off the wall, but it’s to prove a point - that a new Republic of Texas would not be a mini-America and not accept the loss of liberty _and simplicity_ that they once had. I’m another who would rather deal with the summer heat there than die where I am during an ice storm with no heat. I’m another who will not live in a socialist/communist country. I was an active anti-communist in Texas in the 1960s, and I still believe neither will they. All my kids, grandkids, and great-grands are still there or gone back there - only I am not. I’ve told them all to come and get me the minute Texas sucedes. And I wasn’t even born there, but most of them were. I have an in. And I’m fixin to use it. :-)
Sorry about that! I am glad “you got here as soon as you could” :) Guess we'll just have to come up with some sort of litmus test to sort out the TINO’s (Texans In Name Only). Thought that up all by my self :)!
Why not? They helped run it up, didn't they? They reaped the benefits of the deficit spending along with the rest of the states, didn't they? So now all of a sudden they don't bear any responsibility? Utter nonsense.
...this is oversimplification and partly off the wall...
Partly?
The “Free Republic” would be made up of more than the Lone Star State.
Little things like sports teams, heat, different scenery should really not enter into our equation considering present circumstances.
Possible CW II Ping
While we all see the dire direction of the nation, it might be premature to assume a "war" is the only way out. As long as we are free to teach our children our values, to invest in pursuit of those things important to us, free to purchase and use goods (including fuel) as we see fit, and free to worship God (or not) according to the religion of our choice openly and freely, without fear of repression or charges of "hate speech" according to the tenets of the competing religion of humanism, I see no reason to fight - assuming the other side would likewise prefer a peaceful resolution.
How do you figure that??? “...same benefits from Federal spending...” Based upon what???
Not all of us jump at the sight of a dangling carrot in front of them...
States rack up Federal debt??? (Not to be critical, but you might want to go back and revisit that statement...)
So you would equate a secession from the union to a “dead beat Dad”...
Do you realize that the State of Texas, if it had accepted 550 MILLION from the Federal government to bolster its unemployment funds, it would have had to permanently amend its Constitution to do so??? That was unacceptable, therefore we turned it down...
We did not need it anyway...We are part of a group of states that are not in any trouble with its unemployment funds...So why change the very structure of our State Constitution forever, just for a chuck of change it doesn’t need...And will never be able to change back because of the very requirements and stipulations that would have allowed the Federal government to hold the strings forever over this state...
Bump!
Huh?
Look at all of the above in places like Los Angles, Mexicans vote 75-25 for Democrats and they will continue to do so. Ethnic pride to them beats things like job creation, freedom, liberty, etc. If Texas does Secede, the idea the Mexicans legal or illegal will become Conservatives is laughable.
Sorry but Demographics aren't on our/your side in Texas, if Texas secedes you will at best be right back where your started with Liberal politicians and their corruption and oppression controlling everything, and at worst Texas will become Azatlan and it will be you fleeing over the border back into the remaining United States.
Even Texas stays, I'm afraid it's going to go permanently blue.
Either way, without a lot of bloodshed, Texas is lost.
Unless Texas merges with Mexico.
Sounds hideous, and I never thought I’d see this, or think this, but a reverse Azatlan into the South might be the way to go.
All we have to do is help the Mexican oligarchy kill itself off.
Should be ‘familygarchy’.
Roads, defense, federal police forces, 150+ years of spending on infrastructure, social security, Medicare, welfare and on and on. And let's not forget things like NASA's decades of presence in Tezas.
States rack up Federal debt??? (Not to be critical, but you might want to go back and revisit that statement...)
Sure. Texans send Representatives and Senators to Congress, who are as good as any other States' Congressmen at bringing home the pork. Every State is just as guilty for our current debt status.
Why not?
Ahhhh, ok you said the magic word there...”Pork”...
Not all pork is equal though...Some elected officials are better at that than others...So there can’t be any equal share of any debt or gratuity flowing back to the Federal coffers could there???
Look at California...From what I recall, that is the worlds 7th largest economy, and it is having to hand out IOU’s now for services and goods rendered on that state...
What could that possibly mean??? Does California start getting collection calls after 30 days like we do??? Or should other states who are doing a little better than California start paying off what they (California) can’t meet per the agreements of contracts between California and “other” entities???
I have a proposal for you...And this is certainly a fun thing to think about here...
If a state in this “union”, through no fault of its own, is burdened with paying for another state(s) inability to meet their own feduciary commitments due to its own poor management, is that really the way things should be???
In my opinion overall economic Federal policies effect states in different ways...Some do ok, some barely make it, and some fail miserably...
Example: do you believe the Cap and Trade idea will effect negatively the Texas (Houston) ship channel industries more or less than say the agricultural industry in Kansas???
Maybe not a fair comparison, but it falls within what each state can provide for the “common” good that seems to be the priority of a “central” government that only comes up with screwy ideas, and yet does not feel responsible for the inequities and the burden it puts on different parts of the country...
I’ve always been a believer that government is the problem, and it has no way to find a solution, mearly because of its nature in a society and economy as ours...
I look forward to see what you (and anyone else) thinks about this...
The US refused to do the same to Britain. Did the US pay money to Britain when they demanded independence? No. I don’t see why the folks from Texas should do the same.
I’ve been blessed in my time there and I dearly miss it. I want to thank everyone here who put a smile on my face talking about the roasting pavement in the summer. There isn’t a day that goes by I don’t wish I were sitting on my porch again drinking Big Red on a hot August morning.
I second the argument that Texas is a state of mind. If you do go, please take me with you!
I am well aware of what the declaration says. The declaration had to do with the separation from the king and not setting up a constitutional republic. Once the Constitution was established the focus of patriots became maintaining that republic, the Constitution and those freedoms. This means that the people have the right and obligation to remove those who would abrogate the Constitution and those freedoms in order to maintain the union and the Constitution. It might not be easy but it can be done within the framework and walking away from it indicates that the freedoms, the constitutional framework and the republic really are not important to those giving up.
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