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CEO of Microsoft's Indian Partner Complains American Grads Are "Unemployable"
daily tech ^ | 6/25/09 | daily tech

Posted on 06/24/2009 6:13:28 PM PDT by Flavius

HCL Technologies is one of India's most powerful and respected tech firms. The company scored a massive $170M USD outsourcing contract from Microsoft last year. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer lavished them with praise, stating, "That extra mile walk by the team (at HCL) has increased our mutual trust and has taken our relationship to newer heights. "

Now HCL's CEO Vineet Nayar has gone on record with some controversial remarks about the quality of American technology college graduates. Tired of hearing stereotypes about Indian tech grads, Mr. Nayar, speaking before an audience of business partners in New York City, blasted American tech grads as "unemployable".

He elaborated that he views American tech grads as inferior to those from India, China, and Brazil as the Americans only want to "get rich" and dream up "the next big thing". He says students from countries like India, China, and Brazil are more willing to put the effort into "boring" details of tech process and methodology, such as ITIL, Six Sigma, etc.

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KEYWORDS: endenturedservants; generationy; h1bs; work; workforce
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1 posted on 06/24/2009 6:13:28 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Yeah. We are all idiots.

Just keep thinking that.


2 posted on 06/24/2009 6:14:30 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Flavius; All

Gee, wonder why?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2276812/posts?page=1


3 posted on 06/24/2009 6:15:15 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Flavius

I’ll take American Engineers over Indian group-think script-hacks, every time.


4 posted on 06/24/2009 6:16:42 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: Glenn

I ain’t no idiot. I’m a proud dumbie!


5 posted on 06/24/2009 6:16:54 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Flavius

6 posted on 06/24/2009 6:17:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: Flavius
That Indian CEO is an idiot for saying that.

However ONE thing he said did ring true for me. Today's young kids (and yes, even though I am in my 30s, I can call them “kids”) want to get rich soon.

Even in this recession, we ARE hiring. You would think young kids would develop a work ethic. We are a white collar software company based in Dallas with a Class A office space and the latest in computers and software.

I can hire a 40 year old Software Engineer who may have worked in MFC and does not fully know Dot Net 3.5 but he will work TWENTY times harder than this young punk kid from SMU or UTD who knows Dot Net real well but is an IDIOT and has an attitude and wants 50% raise EVERY quarter!!!!

So my advice to everyone is: Hire an Older American. Someone over the age of 30. Someone who freaking appreciates the job!

7 posted on 06/24/2009 6:19:13 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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...are more willing to put the effort into "boring" details of tech process and methodology, such as ITIL, Six Sigma, etc.

Six Sigma? That system is a joke. Don't know what ITIL is.

8 posted on 06/24/2009 6:19:28 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Flavius

I have worked with his people. All I can say is, I will take 1 good solid American over 5-10 of his guys.


9 posted on 06/24/2009 6:20:45 PM PDT by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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To: Flavius
I wonder if these are the same Indians who staff so many tech call centers? Nuff said..
10 posted on 06/24/2009 6:27:21 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: SoftwareEngineer

I agree...I have interviewed a few kids out of college recently for an entry level Engineering position and none were worth hiring. Beyong coming in to the interview with facial peircings and being dressed innapropriately (jeans), they just don’t seem to be ready to do the work. They all seem to have a real sense of unfounded entitlement. It’s bizzare. I even had one guy curse through the whole interview...


11 posted on 06/24/2009 6:27:53 PM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: Glenn

At least as far as US grads go it’s probably true. India has a University more demanding than MIT. Think about that.


12 posted on 06/24/2009 6:29:16 PM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: Glenn

Well, actually in many ways he is correct but much of that is caused by corporate hiring practices that stress things other than technical ability and work ethic. You must be the right color, sex and have the correct demeanor. Diversity is what it is all about. I would take one C student that worked his/her way through school (not even related to the degree or job) than twelve of the straight A students I’m forced to interview. They know much but understand nothing and have difficulty applying what they do know.


13 posted on 06/24/2009 6:30:10 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: conservative cat

Same here. The build quality of their code is not up to what an American with a CS degree does. Not even close. They’ll get it done by declaring all variable global and such like. Hard to maintain.


14 posted on 06/24/2009 6:30:17 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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American tech grads as "unemployable"

Yeah right, they actually want to be paid more than an Indian programmer in Bangolore, that makes these Americans 'unemployable'

I am sorry, but the latest batch of endentured servants coming from India ARE THE WORST PROGRAMMERS...There was a time when America did get the best and the brightest from other countries as far as programmers...that TIME IS LONG GONE....

There is one purpose only to bring in these so called programmers, it is to DEPRESS WAGES!!!!
15 posted on 06/24/2009 6:30:35 PM PDT by Fred (Obama Throws the Iranian Citizens Under the Bus)
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To: NMEwithin

NME!

You nailed it.

I was interviewing for a junior Software Engineer position for which we are paying $45K.

I had FRESH out of college kids telling me that they needed $60K “just to survive”. This is in freaking DFW where you can buy a quarter acre 2500 sq. foot BRAND new home for $139K!!

And don’t even get me started on the fact that NONE of these kids bothered to shave or put on a suit. Three showed up in flip flops or sandals.

Am I just a fuddy duddy despite being in my 30s???

I am totally confused about what has happened to this “Obama Generation”

Every generation is cool and hip and when I was in my 20s I thought all 30+ year people were practically one foot in the grave.

However, every interview I went to I dressed in a dark suit and had polished black shoes and was groomed to perfection. This was true even in 1997 when I was interviewing for those wacky Dot Com companies that had office massage hours and such..


16 posted on 06/24/2009 6:32:00 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: saganite
At least as far as US grads go it’s probably true. India has a University more demanding than MIT. Think about that.

But at least the US grad will have completed several semesters of diversity training, Women's studies, and "protesting 101". That vital knowledge should come in handy in the workplace!

Do I really need the "sarcasm" tag?

17 posted on 06/24/2009 6:33:40 PM PDT by meyer ( "The world is a beautiful place and worth fighting for. But not without Freedom.")
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To: saganite

If you’re talking about Hyderabad, I’ll take MIT every time. I’ve had a half dozen of their grads work for me. Sorry, but keep them away from any architectural decisions. They can implement a spec, but don’t ask them to derive requirements and use cases. Nuh-uh. And it isn’t a language issue. They’ve been spoon fed and can’t handle what falls outside the lines.


18 posted on 06/24/2009 6:34:03 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: smokingfrog

Exactly...


19 posted on 06/24/2009 6:34:20 PM PDT by Fred (Obama Throws the Iranian Citizens Under the Bus)
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To: saganite
At least as far as US grads go it’s probably true. India has a University more demanding than MIT. Think about that.

But they graduate about 300K engineers a year in India. How many do you think went to that school? About 1/3 of the India grads are not ready to work and need additional training around project management, basic work skills, language, or technical needs that take them a year or two to get after graduation. They are, however, very enthusiastic and motivated.
20 posted on 06/24/2009 6:35:27 PM PDT by microgood
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