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1 posted on 06/24/2009 6:13:28 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Yeah. We are all idiots.

Just keep thinking that.


2 posted on 06/24/2009 6:14:30 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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Gee, wonder why?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2276812/posts?page=1


3 posted on 06/24/2009 6:15:15 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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I’ll take American Engineers over Indian group-think script-hacks, every time.


4 posted on 06/24/2009 6:16:42 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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6 posted on 06/24/2009 6:17:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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That Indian CEO is an idiot for saying that.

However ONE thing he said did ring true for me. Today's young kids (and yes, even though I am in my 30s, I can call them “kids”) want to get rich soon.

Even in this recession, we ARE hiring. You would think young kids would develop a work ethic. We are a white collar software company based in Dallas with a Class A office space and the latest in computers and software.

I can hire a 40 year old Software Engineer who may have worked in MFC and does not fully know Dot Net 3.5 but he will work TWENTY times harder than this young punk kid from SMU or UTD who knows Dot Net real well but is an IDIOT and has an attitude and wants 50% raise EVERY quarter!!!!

So my advice to everyone is: Hire an Older American. Someone over the age of 30. Someone who freaking appreciates the job!

7 posted on 06/24/2009 6:19:13 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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...are more willing to put the effort into "boring" details of tech process and methodology, such as ITIL, Six Sigma, etc.

Six Sigma? That system is a joke. Don't know what ITIL is.

8 posted on 06/24/2009 6:19:28 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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I have worked with his people. All I can say is, I will take 1 good solid American over 5-10 of his guys.


9 posted on 06/24/2009 6:20:45 PM PDT by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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I wonder if these are the same Indians who staff so many tech call centers? Nuff said..
10 posted on 06/24/2009 6:27:21 PM PDT by montanajoe
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American tech grads as "unemployable"

Yeah right, they actually want to be paid more than an Indian programmer in Bangolore, that makes these Americans 'unemployable'

I am sorry, but the latest batch of endentured servants coming from India ARE THE WORST PROGRAMMERS...There was a time when America did get the best and the brightest from other countries as far as programmers...that TIME IS LONG GONE....

There is one purpose only to bring in these so called programmers, it is to DEPRESS WAGES!!!!
15 posted on 06/24/2009 6:30:35 PM PDT by Fred (Obama Throws the Iranian Citizens Under the Bus)
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Oooooh! I know that I'm going to get burned on this but, he's right.

Out of 15 new grads that I just interviewed, I wouldn't hire even one of them.

They don't want to pay their dues, they want to start at the top. They come in demanding to earn what someone with 10 or 15 years experience is earning with 4 or 5 weeks vacation right off the bat. And them with absolutely no experience at all.

When asked why they feel that they should be compensated in this manner, I'm told that this is what their professors have told them they should be receiving immediately upon graduation.

It's really obscene what they hold as their requirements if they choose your company to go to work for.

21 posted on 06/24/2009 6:36:01 PM PDT by Texas Tea
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What a steaming pile of poo. Indians (among others) work for peanuts, that is why they get the business.


28 posted on 06/24/2009 6:41:40 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (tot)
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I've worked around a lot of Indians, I've interviewed many of them for technical positions, and a couple are good friends. At least from my sample, the chaff-to-wheat ratio is pretty bad. I've never hired an Indian yet, not because I am unwilling (I certainly would), but all failed my interview tests. Many are good at doing exactly what they are told, and are eager to please, but the quality of the work and thought that goes into it is unacceptable to me. The smartest, most capable technical people I've seen are the Americans. That said, the Americans also have the highest HR problems: complaining, taking off sick, prima donna syndrome, etc. I've worked around some very smart Indians, too, so I'm speaking in broad generalities. And some of the dumbest people I've worked around were Americans. Someone else hired them, and they were stone stupid.

So, if there is a takeaway, Americans have a high standard deviation: the smartest and the dumbest. The Indians have a a very low standard deviation: a few dunces, a few brilliant ones, a sea of mediocre. I definitely do not see what this Indian CEO sees!

I asked one of my Indian friends about this quality problem, and he said that Indians are not allowed to be creative in India. He said they are taught to obey orders and always say yes. He has lived here a long time, and he said he too was that way for the first few years.

31 posted on 06/24/2009 6:48:16 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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You think you got problems? You should see the stammering, incompetent, lying idiot Harvard "grad" we're having to put up with...


46 posted on 06/24/2009 7:18:19 PM PDT by Costumed Vigilante
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As an IT guy I’ve worked with some of the greatest people in the world from India. However, there is nothing hugely different between their people and ours. In fact, the very reason they’re over here (and in Canada) is that they wanted to get rich!!!

Quite frankly, this guy reminds me sooo much of some of the IT managers I’ve worked for.... IT management here is usually done by non-IT people. Most of the managers in IT management position have no clue how to do the job of their subordinates, and many barely know how to use their Blackberry. What they DO know is stuff like ITIL, Six Sigma, endless standup meetings, mind-numbing project plan meetings (ending up with project plans that are promptly ignored), etc.

So let me ask Microsoft and HCL — was Microsoft built on processes and SixSigma, or was it built on people who dreamed of the “next big thing”? Weren’t there tons of old mainframe companies who were big on process and procedure and quality programs? Wasn’t HP looking for the “next big thing” when they in their glory days, and weren’t big on process and ISO/QS as they went into the dumpster? Shall we even discuss the demise of EDS, a company that couldn’t use enough corporate buzzwords and quality programs and processes?


47 posted on 06/24/2009 7:22:16 PM PDT by TWohlford
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Some of the latest imports from there have not been too hot either.

I think we took the cream of the crop and the outsourcing crop is not looking so good.


53 posted on 06/24/2009 7:32:47 PM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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I do like their tech support, though. Vijay has learned how to clearly say in Indglish, “Firstly, please to reformat you hard driver then be calling back me in one week please.”


61 posted on 06/24/2009 8:08:59 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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Six Sigma is a set of tools used by non-technically educated "wannabe engineers".

Here's a interesting article I recently read... probably was posted on FR:

Consider This -- Henry Ford's Proven Lessons for American Industry

I will say this, though... I was MORTIFIED by the calibre of "engineers" my ABET-accredited university was turning out. I had girls in my technical drawing class that could not figure out for the life of them how to put together a simple isometric drawing given views from 3 sides. I had guys in my Mechanical Laboratories that could not figure out how to read a vernier scale on a micrometer... I'd say half the students had NO F'ING CLUE how to assemble a free body diagram, let alone do shear and bending moment diagrams for a simply supported beam with a point load at mid-span.

...and these people took jobs after college working for the US Army designing munitions? God help us.

69 posted on 06/24/2009 11:22:52 PM PDT by Rodamala
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