Posted on 06/21/2009 5:02:31 PM PDT by Kansas58
Mousavi Accuses Obama of 'Misleading the World' Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:38 PM
Author and foreign policy expert Michael Ledeen has published a letter reportedly from the office of Mir Hossein Mousavi, in which the Iranian opposition leader criticizes President Barack Obama for saying Mousavi and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad are "two of a kind."
The letter, addressed to Obama, takes the president to task for the remark, calling it "a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.
"It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for [Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.
"Your statement misled the people of the world."
The point is, Obama did say something -- that Mousavi and Ahmadenijad were virtually indistinguishable politically. ...a very stupid thing to say.
Chances the MSM covers Mousavi's statement? Zero.
It's a letter by the Interior Minister, Sadegh Mahsouli, to Khamenei informing him of the steps taken to declare Ahmadinejad the winner of the election.
The letter also includes the actual results as follows:
Total votes: 42,026,078
Mousavi: 19,075,623
Karroubi: 13,387,104
Ahmadinejad: 5,698,417
Rezai: 3,754,218
Invalid votes: 38,716
(And, in this case, Obama won't do it, Obama is the one who screwed up!)
Upstream in this thread someone suggested that Republicans should be apologizing that our current president hasn't helped.
I think a good strategy would be for Republicans to apologize that the bodypart-in-chief is morally and ethically incapable of doing what is right, and to courageously challenged to stand up to tyranny.
Recent history doesn't support your claim.
As I pointed out to you: President Bush's policy was to criticize Ahmadinejad and support the protesters. Ahmadinejad's response has been to criticize the US prez Yet, the protests have only increased and Ahmadinejad's support has only decreased.
The evidence suggests that your claim is false.
Useless SOBs. We pay, they party.
...the Iranian opposition leader criticizes President Barack Obama for saying Mousavi and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad are "two of a kind." The letter, addressed to Obama, takes the president to task for the remark, calling it "a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million. "It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for [Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.
Interfere is a loaded word. We favor free and fair elections and should speak out when it is not the case. JFK said this in his inaugural address in 1961:
"The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.
We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
This much we pledge—and more.
Would we want any other nation to interfere here?
You are applying some sort of moral equivalency to the US compared to places like North Korea, Iran, China, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. The US is the defender of the weak and powerless around the globe. We are the ones who are primarily responsible for the institution of democracy in Western Europe after WWII and subsequent fall of the Soviet Union and the liberation of Eastern Europe. We "interfered" with the establishment of democracy in Japan including helping write their Constitution. It was Harry Truman that stopped the spread of Communism in places like Greece where the US became actively involed the in the Greek elections and prevented a takeover by the Communists.
The US supported the Solidarnosc' movement in Poland that eventually took down the Soviet Union. Reagan stood at the Berlin Wall and implored the Soviets to tear it down. Take a look at JFK's speech in Berlin
Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free. When all are free, then we can look forward to that day when this city will be joined as one and this country and this great Continent of Europe in a peaceful and hopeful globe. When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of West Berlin can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for almost two decades. All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner."
No great fan of the guy in the White House, but there may be decent reasons not to do/say anything. We cannot give them any military support.
God help this country if we follow advice like yours. We no longer become the City on the Hill that inspires and supports liberty and freedom around the globe. I was in Poland during martial law and the rise of Solidarnosc'. I can't express in words how much Reagan's and the Pope's support meant to the success of that movement.
I also lived in Iran during the fall of the Shah and rise of Khomeini. America must share the blame for the consequences of that Revolution.
One may be tempted to gloss over words like these because they are merely words. That would not be a conservative way of reacting, however.
Would we want any other nation to interfere here?
They would definitely interfere here.
there may be decent reasons not to do/say anything.
Perhaps there are moral reasons to be quiet. These must be weighed against the military reasons to exploit this episode for incredible gain. I don't want more Nedas to die. I also don't want Tel Aviv to be nuked--lots of young women there, too.
We cannot give them any military support.
We can arm them.
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Thanks for the ping, CC.
This is what we get when a chicago street thug and all his vile henchmen are in the WH. Half of the USA were either fooled, wanted to be “part of history,” or actually agree with this POS. But I’m convinced a majority of foreigners are not fooled.
Has anyone interviewed Joe Biden on this yet?
Mousavi, you aren’t supposed to point out that our emperor has no clothes!
On the other hand, the issue is over the way elections are handled. Apparently Mousavi fell off the Ayatollah wagon and he shares the public's concern in the matter.
Makes him preferable to the Nutjob ~ not that he's good, but don't let a demand for perfection drive away improvement.
Knowing that Obama is not one of Mousavi's sockpockets in the byzantine world of Shia politics is also a benefit to having Mousavi.
You're the one who made the initial claim saying that "being in a position to be able to criticize the US prez credibly may put Mousavi in a stronger position".
All I can do in response is present the facts.
Ahmadinejad's response has been to criticize the US president.
The protests have increased.
Ahmadinejad's support has decreased.
If you want to continue make the criticizing-the-US-prez-may-make-Mousavi-stronger claim, so be it.
There is no reason except supporting the current regime and being a wimp for him not to back the patriots who want freedom from oppression.
That's exactly what the Zero is saying....grrrrr.
Obama’s so full of it! He wants to tell Israel how to handle Palestinians, but for Iran, nothing? He’s a traitor to Americans and our friends — including the people of Iran. Ahmadinejad is his twin.
The point is, Obama did say something — that Mousavi and Ahmadenijad were virtually indistinguishable politically. ...a very stupid thing to say.
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Billy Cunningham just expressed a similar thought.
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