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Mousavi "Obama mislead"
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/michael_ledeen_mousavi/2009/06/21/227538.html?s=al&promo_code=81E | 06/21/2009 | Michael Ledeen

Posted on 06/21/2009 5:02:31 PM PDT by Kansas58

Mousavi Accuses Obama of 'Misleading the World' Sunday, June 21, 2009 1:38 PM

Author and foreign policy expert Michael Ledeen has published a letter reportedly from the office of Mir Hossein Mousavi, in which the Iranian opposition leader criticizes President Barack Obama for saying Mousavi and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad are "two of a kind."

The letter, addressed to Obama, takes the president to task for the remark, calling it "a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.

"It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for [Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.

"Your statement misled the people of the world."


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadenijad; bho44; bhoiran; iranobama; led; ledeen; lednotlead; misled; mousavi; pasttensespelledled
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To: madison10
but there may be decent reasons not to do/say anything.

The point is, Obama did say something -- that Mousavi and Ahmadenijad were virtually indistinguishable politically. ...a very stupid thing to say.

101 posted on 06/21/2009 6:17:05 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Kansas58
Mousavi "Obama mislead"

Chances the MSM covers Mousavi's statement? Zero.

102 posted on 06/21/2009 6:19:51 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Kansas58
Actual election results as reported to Khamenei

It's a letter by the Interior Minister, Sadegh Mahsouli, to Khamenei informing him of the steps taken to declare Ahmadinejad the winner of the election.

The letter also includes the actual results as follows:

Total votes: 42,026,078

Mousavi: 19,075,623

Karroubi: 13,387,104

Ahmadinejad: 5,698,417

Rezai: 3,754,218

Invalid votes: 38,716

103 posted on 06/21/2009 6:21:02 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Kansas58
But, but, but, SOMEONE MUST APOLOGIZE on behalf of America!

(And, in this case, Obama won't do it, Obama is the one who screwed up!)

Upstream in this thread someone suggested that Republicans should be apologizing that our current president hasn't helped.

I think a good strategy would be for Republicans to apologize that the bodypart-in-chief is morally and ethically incapable of doing what is right, and to courageously challenged to stand up to tyranny.

104 posted on 06/21/2009 6:21:52 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: Pallas
I think that being in a position to be able to criticize the US prez credibly may put Mousavi in a stronger position.

Recent history doesn't support your claim.

As I pointed out to you: President Bush's policy was to criticize Ahmadinejad and support the protesters. Ahmadinejad's response has been to criticize the US prez Yet, the protests have only increased and Ahmadinejad's support has only decreased.

The evidence suggests that your claim is false.

105 posted on 06/21/2009 6:23:21 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: maggief

Useless SOBs. We pay, they party.


106 posted on 06/21/2009 6:25:09 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
...the Iranian opposition leader criticizes President Barack Obama for saying Mousavi and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad are "two of a kind." The letter, addressed to Obama, takes the president to task for the remark, calling it "a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million. "It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for [Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.

107 posted on 06/21/2009 6:31:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: madison10
Do we really want to interfere in the elections in another country?

Interfere is a loaded word. We favor free and fair elections and should speak out when it is not the case. JFK said this in his inaugural address in 1961:

"The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.

We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge—and more.

Would we want any other nation to interfere here?

You are applying some sort of moral equivalency to the US compared to places like North Korea, Iran, China, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. The US is the defender of the weak and powerless around the globe. We are the ones who are primarily responsible for the institution of democracy in Western Europe after WWII and subsequent fall of the Soviet Union and the liberation of Eastern Europe. We "interfered" with the establishment of democracy in Japan including helping write their Constitution. It was Harry Truman that stopped the spread of Communism in places like Greece where the US became actively involed the in the Greek elections and prevented a takeover by the Communists.

The US supported the Solidarnosc' movement in Poland that eventually took down the Soviet Union. Reagan stood at the Berlin Wall and implored the Soviets to tear it down. Take a look at JFK's speech in Berlin

Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free. When all are free, then we can look forward to that day when this city will be joined as one and this country and this great Continent of Europe in a peaceful and hopeful globe. When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of West Berlin can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for almost two decades. All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner."

No great fan of the guy in the White House, but there may be decent reasons not to do/say anything. We cannot give them any military support.

God help this country if we follow advice like yours. We no longer become the City on the Hill that inspires and supports liberty and freedom around the globe. I was in Poland during martial law and the rise of Solidarnosc'. I can't express in words how much Reagan's and the Pope's support meant to the success of that movement.

I also lived in Iran during the fall of the Shah and rise of Khomeini. America must share the blame for the consequences of that Revolution.

108 posted on 06/21/2009 6:31:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: FreeReign
My view there is philosophical: it may or may not be right and I think it would be hard to test. Regarding your analysis, I think you may be falling into a post hoc ergo propter hoc trap.
109 posted on 06/21/2009 6:36:03 PM PDT by Pallas
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To: madison10
Iran is our declared enemy by virtue of their official state words "Death to America". Whatever sinks their boat.

One may be tempted to gloss over words like these because they are merely words. That would not be a conservative way of reacting, however.

Would we want any other nation to interfere here?

They would definitely interfere here.

there may be decent reasons not to do/say anything.

Perhaps there are moral reasons to be quiet. These must be weighed against the military reasons to exploit this episode for incredible gain. I don't want more Nedas to die. I also don't want Tel Aviv to be nuked--lots of young women there, too.

We cannot give them any military support.

We can arm them.

110 posted on 06/21/2009 6:39:11 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: nutmeg

ping


111 posted on 06/21/2009 6:39:58 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Thanks for the ping, CC.

This is what we get when a chicago street thug and all his vile henchmen are in the WH. Half of the USA were either fooled, wanted to be “part of history,” or actually agree with this POS. But I’m convinced a majority of foreigners are not fooled.


112 posted on 06/21/2009 6:59:50 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (In solidarity with the freedom-loving people of Iran.)
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To: muawiyah
Obama met his first test and failed miserably.

Has anyone interviewed Joe Biden on this yet?

113 posted on 06/21/2009 7:01:50 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: Kansas58

Mousavi, you aren’t supposed to point out that our emperor has no clothes!


114 posted on 06/21/2009 7:03:28 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ( Obama, you're off the island!)
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To: wiseprince
Mousavi, like all the other politicians in modern Iran, is a crook ~ no doubt about it.

On the other hand, the issue is over the way elections are handled. Apparently Mousavi fell off the Ayatollah wagon and he shares the public's concern in the matter.

Makes him preferable to the Nutjob ~ not that he's good, but don't let a demand for perfection drive away improvement.

Knowing that Obama is not one of Mousavi's sockpockets in the byzantine world of Shia politics is also a benefit to having Mousavi.

115 posted on 06/21/2009 7:11:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Pallas
My view there is philosophical: it may or may not be right and I think it would be hard to test. Regarding your analysis, I think you may be falling into a post hoc ergo propter hoc trap.

You're the one who made the initial claim saying that "being in a position to be able to criticize the US prez credibly may put Mousavi in a stronger position".

All I can do in response is present the facts.

If you want to continue make the criticizing-the-US-prez-may-make-Mousavi-stronger claim, so be it.

116 posted on 06/21/2009 7:15:43 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: madison10
You don't consider all the foreign donations to ZERO and papers around the world endorsing him as interfering in our elections?

There is no reason except supporting the current regime and being a wimp for him not to back the patriots who want freedom from oppression.

117 posted on 06/21/2009 7:25:56 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin for OK Governor/Coburn for Senate 2010 ! Mark Rubio for FL Senate 2010!)
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To: FreeReign
Mr. Gorbachev I have no comment about your wall.

That's exactly what the Zero is saying....grrrrr.

118 posted on 06/21/2009 7:28:34 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: madison10

Obama’s so full of it! He wants to tell Israel how to handle Palestinians, but for Iran, nothing? He’s a traitor to Americans and our friends — including the people of Iran. Ahmadinejad is his twin.


119 posted on 06/21/2009 7:30:48 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Mr. Mojo

The point is, Obama did say something — that Mousavi and Ahmadenijad were virtually indistinguishable politically. ...a very stupid thing to say.
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Billy Cunningham just expressed a similar thought.


120 posted on 06/21/2009 7:31:14 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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