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1 posted on 06/07/2009 4:13:34 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
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THis is a smokescreen to protect the Kenyan ....


2 posted on 06/07/2009 4:20:42 PM PDT by Ken522
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Is Ms. Okubo trying to say that Hawaii no longer has a copy of Obama's original birth certificate on file? -- how convenient.

Is Ms. Okubo saying that the previous statement from Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino is not true?

[snip]

Why does everyone in Hawaii have a different story?

3 posted on 06/07/2009 4:20:47 PM PDT by LucyT
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> The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

As the Church Lady might say, “How Conveeeeenient!”


4 posted on 06/07/2009 4:20:55 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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More on ping


5 posted on 06/07/2009 4:24:25 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 139 of our national holiday from reality.)
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Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

The requirements for president come from the Constitution, which is not, in fact, a "federal government agency." And actually, even a birth certificate (or it's various definitions) is not the issue here.

The actual issue is very simple: where was he born?

7 posted on 06/07/2009 4:33:30 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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I bet parents are so proud to have their CD-ROM with the Hawaii COLB of their child framed. < /sarc>


9 posted on 06/07/2009 4:37:55 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.

Stalinists love revisionist history.

10 posted on 06/07/2009 4:38:25 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (June 4, 2009 - the day Barack Obama threw all of America under the bus.)
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A good question for Janice Okubo, who knows whether Hawaii issued O’s purported COLB and in what form, would have been whether, after reveiwing her files, she recognizes the document on O’s public website.

She doesn’t have to be a forensic expert to respond to that question and the document is in the public realm.


12 posted on 06/07/2009 4:43:01 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Socialism - facism is inconsistent with the Constitution and is one of the "domestic enemies".)
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https://www.ehawaii.gov/doh/vitrec/exe/vitrec.cgi


14 posted on 06/07/2009 4:45:07 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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How convenient for Obama.... AND Hawaii.


19 posted on 06/07/2009 5:14:16 PM PDT by Safrguns
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Nothing to hide, eh Barry?

Barry’s Transparency and Open Government ping.


20 posted on 06/07/2009 5:14:20 PM PDT by cranked
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I just ordered my youngest daughter’s birth certificates from San Bernardino County, CA, to use for a passport and certified copy was required.

Why is Hawaii difference?


21 posted on 06/07/2009 5:16:57 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin for OK Governor/Coburn for Senate 2010 ! Mark Rubio for FL Senate 2010!)
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So, Zero is spending a mil to prevent the release of a hard copy of a document that no longer exists? Ok....


22 posted on 06/07/2009 5:20:54 PM PDT by joejm65
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This completely ignores the main issue.

According to numerous lawsuits, the short form Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth has been legally issued to people who were not born in Hawaii.

According to at least one lawsuit, Obama’s half sister, who was born in Indonesia, was issued a short form Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth.

Bottom line - release the Long Form certificate, the one with the name of Obama’s birth hospital and attending physician, and the whole controversy will disappear.

Instead, Obama’s legal team blocks every effort to do that.

The only conclusion I can reach is that Obama is hiding something.

32 posted on 06/07/2009 7:53:25 PM PDT by zeestephen
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With all due respect, Ms. Watanabe, but what you’ve published above are falsehoods, and not falsehoods that you necessarily originated, because a lot of them came directly from Factcheck.

Here’s the 411 on Obama’s COLB:

After five months of research, I’ve already proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Obama’s Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is a nonexistent document, and what is posted online is a fabricated image.

It’s all there in my final 160-page, research report, called “Obama’s Born Conspiracy.”

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com

Obama’s COLB exists only in the virtual world of Photoshopped computer images, and you would not be able to prove your claims if you life depended on it. But, don’t take that personally because nobody else has.

What you are looking at is a fabricated image, made from other images of other people’s COLBs. It’s forged. It’s fake. It’s totally bogus. Hawaii never printed a COLB for Obama in June 2007.

Here’s where you went astray:

“The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.”

Sorry, but you absolutely can get a copy of a Certificate of Birth, or Hawaiian Certificate of Birth. In fact, you have to have the latter if you want to participate in Hawaii’s Home Lands program: a housing initiative for native Hawaiians.

All you have to do is to write DHHL on the same order form that is used to obtain Certifications of Live Birth, and a COLB WON’T be accepted!

Okubo says that birth certificates are “only available in electronic form...[as] the Health Department went paperless in 2001.”

Hello?

When you request a birth certificate, what you get is a PAPER DOCUMENT comprised of green security paper, a computer-generated certificate form containing birth information, ON THE FRONT SIDE ONLY, printed onto the security paper with a laser orinter, and ON THE REVERSE SIDE, is an embossed Seal stamp, date stamp, and a stamp of the Registrar’s signature block.

It’s been a year since this bogus COLB image was posted, but there’s still just that one, lousy scan image.

Okubo adds that “”The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests.”

Janice Okubo is correct: an electronic record is exactly what Hawaiian Health Department Director, Chiyome Fukino, said that Hawaii has “Obama’s original birth certificate On RECORD.”

Hawaii has never verified where he was born, when he was born, to whom he was born, or anything else on his original birth record. Not even his original, legal name.

When Obama was allegedly born, Hawaiian COLBs were given out to foreign born children up to one year after birth. So, even if there really was a COLB for Obama produced in June 2007 — and there is no such document in existence — then it still would not prove where he was born. to be President of the USA, you have to prove that you are a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN (NBC), and, therefore, the Certification of Live Birth CANNOT BE USED to prove NBC.

Finally, Factcheck is absolutely NOT “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.”

FACTCHECK, funded by billionaire George Soros, IS A SHILL FOR OBAMA, and fully complicit in this phony birth certificate scam.

The bottom line is that Obama knows that image posted on the internet is fake and doesn’t contain his actual birth information. That’s why Obama and his staff refuse to answer any questions about his birth certificate, and refuse to produce any real paper document. That’s why they fabricated this bogus COLB image: to decieve the United States Government and its people in to believing that Obama was born in Hawaii. That deception got him into thw White House, and a lot of people are hoping that this same deception gets him out of there, too.


33 posted on 06/07/2009 8:24:33 PM PDT by Polarik (It's the forgery, Stupid!)
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From the Hawaii Revised Statutes:

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm

39 posted on 06/08/2009 3:14:33 AM PDT by FTJM
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This much is true, it is a smokescreen. Because where he was born isn’t all that relevant, his IMMIGRATION STATUS is whats relevant that that is the question Obama doesn’t want answered.


41 posted on 06/08/2009 10:47:30 AM PDT by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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Okubo? Obama?

Where did Okubo come from


51 posted on 06/08/2009 11:34:12 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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How interesting....my best friend got a paper copy of her COB from Hawaii just a couple of years ago. It was mailed to her, not electronic as the article states


60 posted on 06/08/2009 11:53:20 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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I call BS on this. Everything that requires a BC requires a copy of the ORIGINAL with the seal of that state on it. How do you put a seal on an electronic BC? This is BS pure and simple. They would not be legal for filing for anything in CA, I know that for a fact and they would not be legal for filing for SS either.


74 posted on 06/08/2009 1:44:21 PM PDT by calex59
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