shakes head, just damn...
Posted on 06/01/2009 1:08:50 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
Cheney Supports Gay Marriage It's not surprising when Vice President Dick Cheney disagrees with President Obama. But it is surprising when he takes a more progressive position than the president.
Said Cheney: "I think that freedom means freedom for everyone. As many of you know, one of my daughters is gay, and it is something we have lived with for a long time in our family. I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish. Any kind of arrangement they wish. The question of whether or not there ought to be a federal statute to protect this, I don't support. I do believe that... historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level. It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis... But I don't have any problem with that. People ought to get a shot at that."
Wow, memory is fading, I thought it was well before that.
Who else preceded his enlightenment writings?
There, fixed it. :)
You could also have said the contemporary era and been accurate. I felt I had to step in to defend modernity from such slanders even though I know you did not intend to do so.
What we call modernity was the age wherein man made great advances, improving his lot by coming to understand all that his Creator slowly revealed to him.
Postmodernists think it is time we put that aside. They mean for us to get beyond this quaint notion that modernity is good for us. "Progressives" hide behind postmodernist cant as they deliberately repress us all. They used to do it incrementally; now we are witnessing a full court press.
Modernity is a good thing. Contemporary statists with their postmodernist agenda are something else: fundamentally anti-human.
No state would ever vote for this. Cheney is quite the poker player.
Agreed, though I'd say it is mandatory if you want to preserve our Constitutional Republic....obviously that is why it is not taught.
I think it was Walter Williams who said, paraphrase, "how can you trust the government to teach your children what is necessary to remain vigilant against it's self?
Dictators know how to destroy and control an uneducated, preoccupied society
“Who else preceded his enlightenment writings?”
If I had to write a history of natural rights theory, I’d start with Aristotle, go through the Stoics, skip ahead to the Reformation (Locke was a Puritan, remember) and people like Martin Luther, then on to the Enlightenment, which in general anticipated the liberality of Locke’s philosophy before Locke arrived. But more to the point, Locke was directly influenced by more immediate predecessors like Richard Hooker, and contemporaries known as Whigs (not to be confused with America’s Whig party), most importantly Lord Shaftesbury.
Thomas Hobbes was also a contemporary, (of a previos generation) and every bit the modern, but I wouldn’t exactly call him a proponent of natural rights.
With all this talk about modernism and post-modernism, I think it would be a good idea to bring up Leo Strauss, who despised modernism (though not all modern philosophers) and placed the foundation of natural rights back in the classical era.
Then again, one of his students was at the forefront of observing the Declaration as a founding document. Still, I bet Strauss at least was well aware of the difference between natural and positive law, which you two seem to be overlooking.
CINO is all I have to say on this thread.
shakes head, just damn...
Nice try but Cheney is on Greta tonight and FNC showed a preview clip of where she asked him what he wants in HIS state if it keeps the right (unlike with partial birth abortion and Terry Schivo which they considered Federal issues) and his answer was “My daughter is gay and so my opinion is guided by that”(get it? he wants SS marriage in his state!)
This is just another lie that is being made up to keep Cheney's hero status even though he abandoned two pillars of conservatism, Limited Government and traditional marriage
I think I agree with you here, I was just having fun with the Cheney Bots. My other joke is he invaded Iraq to give gay rights to Iraqis.
Nice try? All I said is that he has been an advocate of states rights on this issue for years. And you have disproved this how?
That is true.. If we truly advocates of a small limited Government, then have to accept that Government has no busisness in social issues.
As opposed to the Founders of this Free Republic, who said that the protection of life and liberty was the purpose of all government.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."
The government shouldn’t be in the business of approving marriage - straight or gay.
Just because you don’t agree with the lifestyle doesn’t mean you should adjust your views accordingly. That kind of hypocrisy has burned the GOP in the past 2 elections.
Yeah I figured that was a joke.
the problem occurrs when you expand the “marriage’ as sanctioned by the state..then we move on to polygamy etc.
If all single persons were given ALL the same rights..bequeathing their pensions, social security benefits and tax breaks and medical decisions( granted to an assigned guardian)...the whole issue of gay marriage would be null and void, except for religion, where the govt is not involved.
Well thanks for that sicko, now I am totally depressed.
Marriage forms the fundamental self-perpetuating unit of our civilization. Folks like you are helping to destroy it with this nonsense.
The GOP is dead, primarily because it is populated with fuzzy-minded folks like yourself who are disconnected from the basic morality that this republic was built on.
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