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Is 'String' the next big thing?: Theories about cosmic evolution dangle by a thread
Creation Magazine ^ | Gary Bates

Posted on 05/25/2009 9:31:04 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Is 'String' the next big thing?: Theories about cosmic evolution dangle by a thread

by Gary Bates

Most people have heard of the expression ‘the big bang’. Its usage is so prevalent among mainstream scientists and the media that it has become the accepted ‘fact’ for how the universe began. However, there are an increasing number of secular scientists who are sceptical of this theory of cosmic evolution, and much of their scepticism has been caused by increasing discoveries that fly in the face of big bang theory. In May 2004 ‘An Open Letter to the Scientific Community’ signed by dozens of secular scientists was advertised in the renowned New Scientist. At the time of writing this article, the total number of scientists signing the letter who are sceptical of the big bang has increased to over 400.[1]

One of the great problems for those who believe that the universe came into existence by itself is...

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To: Tolsti2

Relativity was based on a progression of prior works. Hertz, Lorentz, Poincare, etc. weren’t just making things up. Incorporating things like dark matter and dark energy as fudge factor because your theories don’t work is a bit absurd. Relativity made specific testable predictions. None of the string theories currently do.


21 posted on 05/25/2009 9:51:30 AM PDT by allmost
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To: GodGunsGuts

If string theory is true, then why string theory rather than nothing? And why is string theory the way it is rather than some other way?


22 posted on 05/25/2009 9:53:32 AM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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To: GodGunsGuts
So the big bang has no centre. No unique centre would exist anywhere within the three space dimensions we can see. This explains why its supporters reject any interpretation of redshift quantization requiring a centre. Below I show that their demand for acentricity44 stems from an arbitrary presupposition not justified by observations.

The scientist's creed:

Must...Not....Cede.... ANYTHING..... to...... Creationists! MUST..... invent.....a...... Hypothesis..... which....... Excludes...... God......Entirely! Must..... NEVER...... Admit..... The...... Obvious..... If..... it......might...... look..... like....Creationists.....have....beeen.....right....all....along! ARRRRRRGH!

23 posted on 05/25/2009 9:56:56 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: mjp

“If I knew God I’d be Him.”


24 posted on 05/25/2009 9:57:01 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the latest installment of how to be ignorant.


25 posted on 05/25/2009 9:57:30 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

I’m afraid the lesson is coming from your own head. As such, you have learned your lesson well.


26 posted on 05/25/2009 9:59:57 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Moonman62

I just love the outright hatred of science that poses absolutely no threat to their belief systems. Whatever fantasies they believe are not threatened by research into this area.


27 posted on 05/25/2009 10:00:39 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: CottShop

As usual, CS, you nailed it. I have pointed this out to the cosmic Evos many times, and all I ever get back is either silence, or insults.


28 posted on 05/25/2009 10:01:28 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Mom MD

There is also the hypothesis of an alternate universe which ‘passed through informaiton through black holes’ beleive it or not- I think it is Steve Hawkins who is gunning for that hypothesis- Time apparently stops at the rim of black holes, and somehow, according to him, allows info from alternate or parralel universes to seep through to ours dimension. His hypothesis was a radical departure from the idea that entities would be ripped apart if sucked into a black hole- can’t remember all the specifics now, but while an interesting hypothesis, it just shows hte lengths theorists go through to exclude God from the picture


29 posted on 05/25/2009 10:01:30 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tolsti2

lol- Hatred of science- by golly ya got us- by hte way, it’s not science when all you have to offer are assumptions - funny how creationsits are always attacked for their theory not being ‘testable, falsifiable, etc, but when it comes to secular ‘science’ proposing wild fantasies abotu past conditions for which they haven’t a clue, why all ‘requirements for science’ are out hte window- Hypocritical? Or heck no- after all- it’s ‘science’- and one dare not EVER question that ‘science’ lest they be labelled as ‘haters of science’ lol- what a crock!


30 posted on 05/25/2009 10:05:00 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tolsti2

Yeah, just like general relativity. Never any application.. oh wait.


What application are you thibnking of?


31 posted on 05/25/2009 10:07:13 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: Mom MD

Some things worth considering with respect to the Big Bang. See especially Point #7 to the end:

http://creation.com/our-galaxy-is-the-centre-of-the-universe-quantized-redshifts-show


32 posted on 05/25/2009 10:07:43 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Sherman Logan
What precipitated the Bang is not addressed in the theory.
Nor can it ever be, which is a problem of Biblical :) proportions. I find the various multi-universe solutions to current physics problems fairly laughable. The fact that our physics can't describe some of the things we observe tells me that we've got something wrong. It tells other people that there are invisible universes and they can only be described using mathematics that don't work in practice. Fairies and toadstools anyone?
33 posted on 05/25/2009 10:09:59 AM PDT by sig226 (1/21/13 . . . He's not my president . . . Impeach Obama . . . whatever)
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To: broncobilly

GPS for one. Wouldn’t be possible if they couldn’t correct for the time shifting due to the satellites’ velocities.


34 posted on 05/25/2009 10:12:02 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: GodGunsGuts

Usually an explosion creates disorder. Disaray. Winds down. What wound it up?


35 posted on 05/25/2009 10:12:13 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: CottShop
Yup..like man made global warming 101.

It's what they do..
It's ALL they do..
and they won't stop...
EVER!!

36 posted on 05/25/2009 10:14:18 AM PDT by evad (Obama's Socialism is a giant PONZI scheme)
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To: sig226

[[The fact that our physics can’t describe some of the things we observe tells me that we’ve got something wrong. It tells other people that there are invisible universes and they can only be described using mathematics that don’t work in practice. Fairies and toadstools anyone?]]

Actually, if htis fella is right, it can be evidenced, measured, and calculated, and it agrees with hte calculations:

“Standing waves imply the matter had an outer edge for the shock waves to rebound from. That would make the geometric centre be a centre of mass also. If we put those boundary conditions (an edge and centre) into Einstein’s equations of general relativity, we get the cosmology I presented in Starlight and Time. The centre of mass is a centre for gravitational forces, low in intensity but cosmic in extent. Then gravity causes large time dilation effects at the centre during one particular stage of the expansion.

Thus quantized redshifts are observational evidence for my cosmology, bearing out my preliminary claim in 1994:

‘In particular, the “quantized” distribution of galactic red shifts,3,22observed by various astronomers seems to contradict the Copernican principle and all cosmologies founded on it— including the big bang. But the effect seems to have a ready explanation in terms of my new non-Copernican “white hole” cosmology.’53 “

But apparently, this fella, according to some like Tolsti, this fella is nothign but a “Hater of science”- so any evidence he may come up with- regardless of how well it adheres to calculations and scientific observations, must be thrown out hte window apparently because it implies a designer-


37 posted on 05/25/2009 10:14:22 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tolsti2

Isn’[t that an application of Special Relativity rather than General Relativity?


38 posted on 05/25/2009 10:14:36 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: Tolsti2
Creationists do not hate legitimate science. We only hate what Evo's try pass off as "science".

A failed theory is not "science". Real scientists abandon theories when the evidence against it accumulated by scientific observation piles up, and move on to another theories.

Evo's don't follow scientific protocol. They just keep flogging the dead horse.

39 posted on 05/25/2009 10:16:36 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: sig226

All this talk of “fudge factor” and “dark matter” reminds me of the time I was stuck in an elevator when I needed to have a bowel movement really bad and I am reminded the difference between theory and reality isn’t as sweet as some would think.


40 posted on 05/25/2009 10:17:58 AM PDT by BipolarBob (It takes a Kenyan village to raise a US president.)
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