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House Passes CC Reform (...and National Park carry!)
MSNBC ^ | 05/19/09 | AP

Posted on 05/20/2009 12:35:14 PM PDT by xsrdx

WASHINGTON - Congress on Wednesday sent President Barack Obama a bill with sweeping new rules for the credit card industry that will affect just about every American.

...Included in the bill is an unrelated measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would allow people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges.

The House approved that provision separately on Wednesday by a 279-147 vote.

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To: Larry Lucido

In this case sure. But it would have made the president personally responsible for every bit of pork.


21 posted on 05/20/2009 3:34:02 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: LoneStarC

No mention of a requirement for concealment of the weapons?

It seems like concealment was required in the original Dept.of Interior version.

So, when BO signs this, is it immediately the law of the land? As it happens, I was planning on visiting a National Park on Friday.


22 posted on 05/20/2009 3:47:27 PM PDT by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: Rio

“No mention of a requirement for concealment of the weapons?”

If you have to conceal to carry in the state, you have to in the park, if not no.

“It seems like concealment was required in the original Dept.of Interior version.”

Same effect. Just worded differently. In most cases “legal in the state” means concealed. If you are licensed to carry in the state you are standing on, you are ok in that part of the park. If a park straddles state lines and you walk over the line out of you home state, you have to have reciprocity with that state.....

“So, when BO signs this, is it immediately the law of the land? As it happens, I was planning on visiting a National Park on Friday.”

Don’t know — Usually federal laws go in immediately. If you rely on it, should carry something to show the Ranger if necessary - might save going through the frustration of getting arrested because he hadn’t heard.

On the other hand, It is concealed, right:-)


23 posted on 05/20/2009 4:00:56 PM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: All
From his website.

E-Mail Dr. Coburn

24 posted on 05/20/2009 4:12:16 PM PDT by csvset
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To: LoneStarC; xsrdx; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; El Gato; Squantos; Eaker; wardaddy; Jeff Head; ...
Maybe its a good thing Bush didn’t get line item veto for Obama to inherit:-)

IMHO, they got him by the short hairs.

Bi-Partisan Congressional Majority Moves To Restore Second Amendment in National Parks

105 rats!

roll call vote 276

roll call vote 277

277 is the one.

25 posted on 05/20/2009 4:14:57 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: LoneStarC
The original intent was to permit those with a CCW honored in the state where the park is located could continue to exercise that privilege. If you visit a portion of the park in a state where your CCW isn't recognized, you don't have the privilege in that location. All it really accomplished was preservation of existing capability in spite of the park.
26 posted on 05/20/2009 4:29:37 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: huldah1776
Huh?

That's just a fact of life. Somebody loans you a hundred grand for 30 years, that represents a long term investment and the interest can be nothing less than significant else no sane person would front the money. And if you invest the same hundred grand for 30 years you're going to want a similar return I'd be willing to bet.

But while the amortization table looks bad when you see it as you sign the loan docs, at the end of the game the lender has profited a reasonable amount considering the time frame, and you should have at least broke even in terms of property value vs. total of principal and interest payments. Assuming everyone can ride out the sucky periods such as we are experiencing now.

Alternative would be for the long term investor to just buy the property and rent it to you, giving the investor perhaps the same return but nothing for you.

So mortgage interest, especially at today's rates, is a real bargain.

27 posted on 05/20/2009 4:37:12 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (He must fail.)
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To: huldah1776

“think there will ever be a bill to control the amount of interest you pay on a MORTGAGE? paying 2-3 times the amount of the sales price on a house has always seemed outrageous to me”

Pay cash or suck it up!

You’re getting off cheap!


28 posted on 05/20/2009 4:45:32 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: wolfcreek

“(we have 3)”

Why would anyone need more than one?


29 posted on 05/20/2009 4:46:25 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: xsrdx
A minor 2nd Amendment victory compared to what the rest of the legislation will cost.

Banks, which oppose the legislation, will need to make up the cost somewhere, and cardholders who pay off their balance in full each month could see new annual fees and lucrative rewards programs canceled. Credit could become harder to come by too

More rewards to losers, more punishment to responsibile folks. Typical.

30 posted on 05/20/2009 5:11:54 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ( Pretender-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama....an arrogant embarrassment.)
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To: xsrdx
Well, I ignored the law anyway. When traveling, I am armed, as I am all the time. So, what am I suppose to do as I come to Yellowstone, dig a hole and bury the gun and come back and get it after leaving the park? Don't think so. I still had it in the vehicle. All you do is simply obey all traffic laws, do nothing to get yourself stopped, so that they want to do the ole vehicle search. Most stupids are usually breaking some type of traffic law that gets them stopped, then the cops ask to search, etc., or a dog sniffs, and finds it. Simply, obey the law when you are traveling in those states that do not allow you to have a loaded weapon, then you will be fine. The only thing you have to worry about, is if you blow some thug away who is trying to rob, kill you, or rape your wife. But, in that case, to hell with them, I am going to shoot his ass and worry about the other later. Dead, I couldn't worry about it later.
32 posted on 05/20/2009 5:56:45 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Right wing military retiree. Proudly on DHLS hit list!!!!!)
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Included in the bill is an unrelated measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would allow people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges. The House approved that provision separately on Wednesday by a 279-147 vote.

33 posted on 05/20/2009 6:52:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: xsrdx

does this mean one can charge a handgun and then not pay for it?


34 posted on 05/20/2009 7:10:08 PM PDT by kempster
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To: huldah1776

Well, from what I heard it wasn’t so much to limit the rates per se, but to limit sudden changes in the rate, as in you have a card with a rate at 10.0% then they tell you starting next month, it’s going to be 19% per year. But it also limits the size of punitive fees too, like late payment and so on.


35 posted on 05/20/2009 10:00:47 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: RetiredArmy

Another word of warning along those lines- don’t have any loose ammo in your vehicle. I know a man that carried a pistol in his briefcase while working in California- in spite of the laws because he had to do business in very dangerous neighborhoods. He was stopped one day for not having a front license plate; even though his home state did not require or issue front plates. When he reached into the glove box for his registration and proof of insurance the cop saw a bullet and that was all the PC he needed for a search. Supposedly that is not really enough for a search- but the crazy judge allowed it to stand.

Pistol in briefcase was found and the man was arrested- lots of trouble. The irony was the bullet in the glove box was for a firearm that he didn’t even own any more- it was just a random loose bullet.

I have heard of this type of thing happening to others.


36 posted on 05/20/2009 10:15:17 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support & pray for our Troops; they serve us every day. Veterans are heroes not terrorists!)
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To: dalereed

I don’t know. Do the Home Depot and Sears cards really count?


37 posted on 05/21/2009 3:56:04 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: Texas4ever

That’s good practice.


38 posted on 05/21/2009 4:03:33 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: huldah1776

” paying 2-3 times the amount of the sales price on a house has always seemed outrageous to me. No one advertises a 100k house for 225k after 30 years. Just a thought.”


Then buy your house with cash. Just a thought.


39 posted on 05/21/2009 5:42:29 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: dalereed

“Why would anyone need more than one?”


Did you forget the sarcasm tag?


40 posted on 05/21/2009 5:45:01 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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