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States' Gun Rights: The Next Constitutional Battlefield (2nd and 10th Amendments)
Time Magazine ^ | May 12, 2009 | Hilary Hylton

Posted on 05/13/2009 7:09:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The right to bear arms is famously and specifically referenced in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Alas, for advocates of the right, the language of the amendment gets tangled up in the regulating of militias and the interpretation of commas. Now a multistate movement is trying to find more robust constitutional support in another amendment, which makes no mention of weaponry at all.

The 10th Amendment declares, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." It inspired the so-called Sagebrush Rebellion that swept the West three decades ago, preventing the federal takeover of public lands pushed by the Carter Administration and propelling the self-proclaimed Sagebrush Rebel, Ronald Reagan, to the presidency. Now the Amendment is being invoked by pro-gun advocates to press for state, rather than federal, regulation of gun manufacturers.

Montana has passed a law allowing local gun manufacturers to sidestep federal regulations as long as the weapons they make are sold within the territory of the state. "It's a gun bill, but it's another way of demonstrating the sovereignty of the state of Montana," Democratic Governor Brian Schweitzer said, according to the AP, as he signed the bill into law in mid-April. "I like big guns, I like little guns, I like pistols, I like rifles, and I would like to buy a gun that's made in Montana."

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 2ndamendment; ammunition; banglist; bho44; bitter; congress; donttreadonme; fed; lping; obama; secession; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; statesrights
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Will this tactic work?
1 posted on 05/13/2009 7:09:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The 10th Amendment as a battlefield?

It, and its sister the 9th, have been stomped into the ground so badly that they can’t even raise their heads.


2 posted on 05/13/2009 7:11:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You know the Republican Party has testicles the size of bacterium after reading Governor Schweizter’s - A FRIGGIN’ DEMOCRAT - comments on this.


3 posted on 05/13/2009 7:12:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Will this tactic work?

How bad do you want it to work?

4 posted on 05/13/2009 7:12:29 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: freedumb2003
But Heller breathed some life back into the 2nd, itself the guarantor of our system of government.
5 posted on 05/13/2009 7:13:00 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum

>>But Heller breathed some life back into the 2nd, itself the guarantor of our system of government.

We need to take solace where we can. I am glad it is Souter to be replaced. A lib:lib exchange is no net loss.


6 posted on 05/13/2009 7:15:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Lurker

If one million armed citizens (much less than 1% of the populace) marched on Washington, DC, we’d get whatever we wanted without firing a shot.


7 posted on 05/13/2009 7:15:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Alas, for advocates of the right, the language of the amendment gets tangled up in the regulating of militias and the interpretation of commas.

Yeah sure - that's why the Supreme Court hides under their desks whenever a 2A case comes before them - because they don't know what it means.

8 posted on 05/13/2009 7:17:33 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If one million armed citizens (much less than 1% of the populace) marched on Washington, DC, we’d get whatever we wanted without firing a shot.

This sounds more series than a tea party. Count me in.

9 posted on 05/13/2009 7:22:22 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Liberals wouldn't just free Barrabas, they would elect him to represent them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ever hear of The Bonus Army?

L

10 posted on 05/13/2009 7:24:50 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BipolarBob

>>If one million armed citizens (much less than 1% of the populace) marched on Washington, DC, we’d get whatever we wanted without firing a shot.
>
>This sounds more series than a tea party. Count me in.

Serious... if you want people to take you seriously then you need to be serious, not series.


11 posted on 05/13/2009 7:25:13 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Lurker

IIRC, they were mostly unarmed.


12 posted on 05/13/2009 7:26:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the best strategy freedom lovers have had in decades.

First, what Montana has done is taken away the “Interstate Commerce” clause from the Feds, who have misused that element of the USC since FDR’s days. By passing a law that a handgun manufactured in Montana and sold in Montana to a resident in Montana makes it purely a Second Amendment issue, with not strings attached that the Feds can use to restrict the handgun.

Second, it is a brilliant combination of the Second and Tenth Amendments. Attempts that focus solely on one aspect of a state’s sovereign rights usually fail because there is some precedent that enables a higher court to overturn it. By incorporating the rights guaranteed “to the people” and “to the states” into a single legislative act ensures that the legislation has two sturdy legs.

Third, this is being passed by a Democrat governor in a state that, although it is fairly free, has a large number of wealthy liberals (think Robert Redford). To oppose this would enable those who support the governor (that is, liberals and conservatives) to ban together to fight judicial tyranny.

Let me put it this way. If what Montana is doing does not work, the only realistic option is the Texas option: secession. Taking away the income tax from the Feds’ simply isn’t realistic.


13 posted on 05/13/2009 7:27:04 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
IIRC, they were mostly unarmed.

I'll tell you what. You get started organizing your armed march on DC. Let's schedule it for July 4th.

Get back to me a month from now.

L

14 posted on 05/13/2009 7:28:29 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Don’t tempt me...


15 posted on 05/13/2009 7:32:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Temptetion? Me? Why perish the thought Mrs. McGillicutty.


16 posted on 05/13/2009 7:38:27 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: OneWingedShark

The use of “series” for “serious” is a running inside joke here.


17 posted on 05/13/2009 7:40:21 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (The War on Poverty is over. Poverty won. - Howie Carr)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I agree. What is the matter with saying the Supreme Court erred in it’s decision (if it comes to that), this is a Montana option as guaranteed by the Constitution. Enforcing any federal statute on guns purchased in Montana, manufactured there and bought by the citizens of Montana shall be a felony and federal agents will be subject to arrest.


18 posted on 05/13/2009 7:56:47 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just to calibrate us on the relationship between Time magazine and the truth, here is how they refer to the Heller decision:

"It is part of the populist state-sovereignty movement, the sense there is so much power in Washington," says Stephen P. Halbrook, a Virginia attorney who has argued several important Second Amendment cases before the Supreme Court, including, most recently, a successful case overturning the Washington, D.C., gun ban.

No mention of the landmark individual right part of the decision.

In fact, they act as though Heller was never decided at all:

Alas, for advocates of the right, the language of the amendment gets tangled up in the regulating of militias and the interpretation of commas.

Not since the Heller decision it hasn't gotten tangled up like that.

19 posted on 05/13/2009 7:58:40 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If that were to happen, I don’t think THAT ONE would be cracking any jokes about it afterward like he has and the DUh-bama zombies have been doing since April 15th.


20 posted on 05/13/2009 8:02:51 PM PDT by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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