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Zoogenesis: a theory of desperation (Evo admitted creationists explain fossil gaps better)
Journal of Creation ^ | Russell Grigg

Posted on 04/06/2009 11:48:57 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Zoogenesis—a theory of desperation

by Russell Grigg

Austin H. Clark (1880–1954) was an American evolutionary zoologist who wrote 630 articles and books in six languages.1 Not many people have heard of him today, because he had a major problem with Darwinism, and to get around this he proposed a new theory, which challenged the evolutionary orthodoxy of his contemporaries.

The problem

In an extraordinary book, The New Evolution: Zoogenesis,2 Clark showed that there was no evidence that any major type of plant or animal had evolved from or into any other type. He wrote, ‘When we examine a series of fossils of any age we may pick out one and say with confidence “This is a crustacean”—or a starfish, or a brachiopod, or an annelid, or any other type of creature as the case may be.’ This is because all these fossils look so much like their living counterparts today. He pointed out that none of today’s definitions of the phyla or major groups of animals needs to be altered to include the fossils, and he said, ‘[I]t naturally follows that throughout the fossil record these major groups have remained essentially unchanged … the interrelationships between them likewise have remained unchanged.’3

He even said, ‘Thus so far as concerns the major groups of animals, the creationists seem to have the better of the argument. There is not the slightest evidence that any one of the major groups arose from any other.’4

His solution: a new theory...

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


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To: MEGoody
I would agree that both beliefs rely on faith.

Anti-Christian Darwinism is certainly a matter of faith. But the science of evolution postulates, researches and revises and should never twist science to pre-conceived ideals.
41 posted on 04/06/2009 12:45:06 PM PDT by BJClinton (One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: BJClinton; sickoflibs

Yes, it really burns the Evos up that the Bible bests Darwin’s fanciful creation myth every time.


42 posted on 04/06/2009 12:46:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Alberta's Child
Gotta love this kind of rationale. LOL.

Better than the rationale that says that all animals were created at the same time, that extinct critters like dinosaurs perished in Noah's Flood, and yet somehow fail to offer any explanation as to why fossils of extinct critters are found on cohesive strati.

In other words, why are there absolutely no modern-type mammals (including humans) found in fossil layers where dinosaurs are found? Why are no fossils from animals that lived in the Cretaceous period found intermixed with fossils from the Triassic period?

43 posted on 04/06/2009 12:52:35 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Liberty1970
If I were somehow still an evolutionist, the collapse in the last few years of the concept of an 'evolutionary tree' would be really gut-wrenching.

It wasn't. In fact, if you read all those articles GGG posed about the reconsideration of the tree of life metaphor, you may notice that the scientists involve are very excited by the new discoveries. And, of course, rather than suppressing them as you'd expect if there were really a Temple of Darwin priesthood, they're publishing them and discussing them as widely as they can. Scientists are like that.

44 posted on 04/06/2009 12:56:38 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Nathan Zachary

Except for a few attempts by EVO’s to introduce fakes, so desperate are they to find even ONE in a world where there should be millions if the theory was to hold any water.
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LOL. Omitting from your analysis that it is other scientists who expose the fraud is a bit fraudulent, doncha think?


45 posted on 04/06/2009 12:59:47 PM PDT by dmz
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To: allmendream
"The 2% genetic difference and 6% genomic difference between humans and chimpanzees is easily explained by the observed mutation rates and six to seven million years of divergent evolution."

it could, in theory, but in order for that theory to have any teeth, we should be able to observe this in various stages in all species today.

46 posted on 04/06/2009 12:59:49 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: allmendream

The better explanation is the creator used similar components in all his creations.


47 posted on 04/06/2009 1:01:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Creationists don’t have to change their theory lik evo’s do every time someone digs up a bone.
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I was unaware that creationists had a theory about the origins of the species. Can you provide any further information about this theory?

It is the first time I’ve ever heard a creationist refer to Biblical creation as a theory.


48 posted on 04/06/2009 1:02:51 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Nathan Zachary
We do observe a change in the DNA in all species today that is perfectly consistent with a 2% genetic and 6% genomic change in two species in two separate populations over six to seven million years.

So yes, the observation of DNA change, match the observation of DNA difference, which match the observations of the fossil record; all of which is consistent with the theory of evolution through natural selection of genetic variation.

That all this data all fits together so nicely can be recognized by any intelligent person even without any specific expertise in the science of biology.

“In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.”

Pope John Paul II

49 posted on 04/06/2009 1:07:38 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Nathan Zachary
That is no explanation at all for if the observed rate of mutation is either insufficient to explain the difference in DNA between populations that diverged over six to seven million years, or if mutation is so robust that no species could survive for six or seven million years without going extinct due to degradation of the genome due to rampant mutation.

Moreover your “explanation” is absolutely insufficient to explain the nested hierarchy of similarity and divergence in DNA, the pattern of presence and divergence of ERV sequences; or why humans and chimps are more similar to each other than either is to a gorilla; or why new world and old world vultures are more similar to other non-vulture birds than they are to each other.

Completely and totally inadequate as an explanation. Moreover it is not, and never will be, a scientific explanation.

50 posted on 04/06/2009 1:12:09 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: dmz
LOL. Omitting from your analysis that it is other scientists who expose the fraud is a bit fraudulent, doncha think?

Huh? What does it matter? All I said was that "evo's in their desperation, submit fraudulant evidence". Period.

Oh I get it, you are saying all "scientists" are evo's, so therefore evo's aren't frauds.

But that isn't true at all, is it. Perhaps, if we were to look at a few cases, we might just find that the scientists who exposed the fraud initially may well have been creationists, and if it weren't for their initial inquiry, the evo's may well have looked the other way.

I guess I will have to look into this further one day to see if there is any evidence to support this "theory".

51 posted on 04/06/2009 1:15:14 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary; allmendream
The better explanation is the creator used similar components in all his creations.

And darn close to identical components in primates. So are apes just rejects from the human assembly line?

(A long day at the factory, a few miscues in grabbing parts from the "components" bins, and another dam bonobo ends up in the shipping department. I hate it when that happens.)

52 posted on 04/06/2009 1:16:46 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: dmz
I have given you a link to a creationist theory many times. Amazing that you can be "unaware" creationists have theories. The Scientific Case for Creation
53 posted on 04/06/2009 1:20:03 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: dmz
That it supports the bibles time line is irrelevant to whats explained in this book.

The Scientific Case for Creation

54 posted on 04/06/2009 1:21:49 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: dmz
"It is the first time I’ve ever heard a creationist refer to Biblical creation as a theory."

I wasn't referring to the bible. I seldom ever do except to defend it from derogatory attacks.

55 posted on 04/06/2009 1:25:31 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GodGunsGuts; kittymyrib
You are right!

Oh where oh where is our favorite Creationist vs Evolutionist disruptor "freedumb2003"? I am sure he will be along any minute now to enlighten all of us with how everyone believes in evolution, i.e. such as the one this post is about.
56 posted on 04/06/2009 1:26:13 PM PDT by Torquay
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To: GodGunsGuts

Corse it wern’t evilution; IT WER MAGICK!


57 posted on 04/06/2009 1:29:26 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei (quem deus vult perdere prius dementat)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Certainly not a scientific theory...

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Figure1.html#wp1018921

Basing your argument on the age of the Earth on if Noah’s ark “probably exists” or not is just delusional.


58 posted on 04/06/2009 1:30:35 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

Huh?

Just because two different life forms have similar biological elements doesn’t mean one “evolved” from the other. There is absolutely NO scientific evidence of this whatsoever.

As I said, just because the creator uses similar materials for his creations, doesn’t mean they ARE the same creation.


59 posted on 04/06/2009 1:35:24 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: atlaw
"And darn close to identical components in primates. So are apes just rejects from the human assembly line?"

And some darned completely different ones too. There are some darned close to identical components in rats and pigs as well. Guess we evolved from them as well?

60 posted on 04/06/2009 1:38:15 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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