Posted on 04/04/2009 12:10:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Biblical creation impedes evangelism? Plus yet another uninformed atheist.
Published: 4 April 2009
First, Matthew P, a Christian evolutionist from the UK asserts that young-earth creation is harmful to evangelism. Dr Jonathan Sarfati shows the opposite, and explains the baneful consequences to the Gospel of denying its foundation in Genesis. Then Nigel H, an atheist from the US, hurls elephants about science and asserts that God deceived us and set up Adam and Eve to fail. Dr Sarfati explains some of the science and why God did NOT entrap the first couple...
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
Ping!
Next some moron is going to claim that the Catholic Church and its endorsement of Theistic Evolution is harmful to Christianity.
LOL :o)
I personally think young earth creationism is silly but I admit it is no more silly than some of the ideas that come from our scientists. The bible doesn’t spell out how old the Earth is and those who try to deduce it I think are making a mistake. I am convinced of Intelligent design and I do believe humanity represents special creation. Science is slowly but surely confirming that the so called “evolution of man” was a very unique event. There are many deniers but they have an agenda and a religious fervor not unlike some of those who they consider their opponents. That said there is much we do not know and we will never be able to observe directly those events of creation so whether it is Science or Religion both are left wanting and we laymen should keep the limits human understanding in mind and apply reasonable skepticism to any great claims be they religious or scientific. Truth is not a popularity contest for those who take the pursuit of it seriously.
Well, I am at a disadvantage because I cannot in good conscience call ID “silly.” But I do think it will only take you so far, whereas Creation Science has the advantage of employing God’s Word with respect to origins, cosmology, sin, death, etc.
“Next some moron is going to claim that the Catholic Church and its endorsement of Theistic Evolution is harmful to Christianity.”
185 IQ
I’m the moron you predicted. I’ll make those claims without hesitation.
Noted atheist Christopher Hitchens vs. four noted Christian philosophers / apologists.
Two hour video loaded with plenty of food for thought.
Worth a watch if you are into that sort of discussion.
Lets go back even further. Where did the Universe come from if not God? The “Big Bang” you say? What was going on before the Big Bang? Where did it come from? What existed one million years before the Big Bang happened? Denying the existence of God is the height of human arrogance.
Next some moron is going to claim that the Catholic Church and its endorsement of Theistic Evolution is harmful to Christianity.”
Careful, the next progression down will be the anti-Catholic bigots coming out of the woodwork. Before you know it, a full FR foodfight on our hands.
Since I am reading his book, I will quote Mark Levin:
Reason and science can explain the existence of matter, but they cannot explain why there is matter. They can explain the existence of the universe, but they cannot explain why there is a universe. They can explain the existence of nature and the law of physics, but they cannot explain why there is nature and the law of physics. They can explain the existence of life, but they cannot explain why there is life. They can explain the existence of consciousness, but they cannot explain why there is consciousness.I can probably explain why atheists depend so much on reason and science, but I cannot explain why they are atheists.
They are atheists because reality otherwise has unacceptable consequences, and they know it.
If you want to follow the logical consequences of a Creator God, check out the first couple of chapters of “Mere Christianity”.
Thank you, I will.
Won't be some moron...Will be someone who believes God instead of a religion...
Reason cannot, by itself, explain why there is reason. Science cannot, by itself, explain why there is science Reason and science can explain the existence of matter, but they cannot explain why there is matter. They can explain the existence of the universe, but they cannot explain why there is a universe. They can explain the existence of nature and the law of physics, but they cannot explain why there is nature and the law of physics. They can explain the existence of life, but they cannot explain why there is life. They can explain the existence of consciousness, but they cannot explain why there is consciousness. - Anthony Flew
I am a creationist, and an evangelical, and I actually do think--depending on the person, and his education, insisting on specifically YOUNG EARTH creationism does indeed impede evangelism.
The bible does not tell us how old the earth is...nor have any Christian creeds or confessions attempted to do so either.
To insist that persons must agree to a particular interpretation of God's creation--is an unbiblical error.
You cannot ask a well educated person--who has been brainwashed all his life to believe the earth and universe is billions of years old, to just drop it, or else they cannot trust in Jesus.
God created the earth--definitely--but exactly how and when He did it, He chose, in His holy Word--NOT to tell us. We cannot ask people to believe more than the bible--when asking them to trust in Christ.
I fully agree. The odd thing is too, that the big-bang hypothesis even alludes to the literal beginning of time itself...as one cannot speak of time without any matter, space, or energy. Speaking of anything (but God) “before” the big bang is therefore nonsensical.
Standard physics accepts the idea of a time when there was no time (as there was once no matter, energy or space either).
Where this become applicable to theism in general, and Christianity in particular, is understanding that since time itself is a created thing....God is independent of it.
He did indeed quote him, but it was noted. I should have said that in my post.
Which, in a nutshell, proves, from your own lips, that "Intelligent design" is religion, and not science.
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