The Winds Of Civil War: Illinois-Driven Marxist Attempt To Conquer Union

Pat Dollard ^ | Feb 20, 2009 | Pat Dollard

[Islander7]

New Hampshire fired the first shot. Although 7 other states have similar pending resolutions and bills, Oklahoma is the first to actually pass one. Another 27 states are expected to make similar moves in the coming months. That’ll leave the country split 71-29.

Now, before you get too excited, bear in mind that all of this was likely Obama’s goal. Boiled down, all of these state measures are threats of secession. Recall, if you will, Obama’s obsession to be the 21st Century Abraham Lincoln, and his ominous calls to recreate and rebuild America. Who was Lincoln? Why, he was the man who “preserved” the Union by way of implementing military force against states that had seceded. Lincoln knew full well that he would not be preserving the Union, but that he would be conquering sovereign nations, and that he would then have to destroy their cultures and ideologies, remaking both in the image of the North’s. And that is precisely what happened in the aftermath of Lincoln’s war of aggression. He didn’t preserve the Union, he changed it forever and handed unprecedented powers to the Federal Government.

Okay, so now I’m going to run with a theory.

[KrisKrinkle]

“all that matters once IT STARTS and the lines are drawn, geography is everything.”

I just had a look at the 2008 county results for Virginia. If “geography is everything”, it’s going to be geography at the level of county v county, urban v non-urban, more likely neighbor v neighbor.

[SwinneySwitch]

I might need a little help cleaning up the blue Texas counties along the Rio Grande.

[philled]

The blue areas in my state are Indian reservations and college towns. Neither are particularly reliable for anything other than delivering Dem votes...

[MrB]

Yeah, nothing like a good ol’ secessionist thread to keep us from appearing to be nutballs over here...

[rigelkentaurus]

as soon as we clean up Houston, we’ll be down to help

[TCH]

I got news for you... WE are going to “bury” HIM, and every SOB that thinks like him... right down to the last soul.

[Southbound]

Re: Amending the Constitution. It takes a 2/3 majority of BOTH houses of Congress to propose an amendment, OR 2/3 majority of state legislatures to file an application to call for a convention to amend. THEN, it takes 3/4 majority of the states’ legislatures, OR 3/4 majority of the states’ conventions to ratify any amendment. It ain’t an easy thing to do. And on purpose. See Article V of the Constitution.

[dcwusmc]

Caveat... ANY discussion we might have here is surely being monitored by those in government hostile to liberty. BE AWARE. Some folks are sailing mighty close to the wind and the FedGov thugs would LOVE an excuse to shut down this board. PUBLIC discussions on topics like this need to be like Caesar’s wife: TOTALLY above reproach.

[TCH]

First move...

DO NOT FILE A TAX RETURN!

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!

THE TIME IS HERE FOR AN ALL-OUT TAX REVOLT...

NOT ONE PENNY FOR TRIBUTE...

BRING IT ON, OBAMA, YOU MARXIST SOB!

WE ARE READY, WILLING, AND ABLE!

[TCH]

My letter went out this afternoon to my state senator.

[TCH]

He is thinking of the The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878:

20 Stat. L., 145

June 18, 1878

CHAP. 263 - An act making appropriations for the support of the Army for the fiscal year ending June thirtieth, eighteen hundred and seventy-nine, and for other purposes.

SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.

10 U.S.C. (United States Code) 375

Sec. 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel:

The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.

18 U.S.C. 1385

Sec. 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of
Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to
execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Editor’s Note: The only exemption has to do with nuclear materials (18 U.S.C. 831 (e)

[Errant]

I totally agree it wouldn’t be an easy thing to do and certainly wise of the framers not to make is so.

Others have paved the way with repeal of prohibition and cutting off the Feds water will undoubtedly mortally injure the Fed leviathan.

The effort may be the best and only chance we have left?

[snowrip]

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, passed by Congress to further restrict the government’s ability to deploy the military within the US. It was designed to beef up restrictions already in place from the Insurrection Act of 1807.

However, there may be a huge loophole: Posse Comitatus could be waived if the president invokes the new version of The Insurrection Act. This loophole was provided by the Bush administration, with help from their friends across the aisle.

The John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (section 1076) for Fiscal Year 2007 changed the name of the key provision in the statute book from “Insurrection Act” to “Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act.” The Insurrection Act of 1807 stated that the president could deploy troops within the United States only “to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.” The new law expands the list to include “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition”. The “condition” is neither defined nor limited.

Thanks again, Mr. Bush... you frigging globalist fruitcake.

[Errant]

“My letter went out this afternoon to my state senator.”

In that you have taken the most appropriate first step. As a law abiding people we should adhere to the law of the land and we EXPECT our current crop of leaders to do likewise. The ‘DELUGE OF NOAH’ began with but one drop.

I suggest faith, perseverance and sometimes a BIG voice!

;-)

[Errant]

"Ref: Please read "A Convention for Proposing Amendments..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1823341/posts

Thanks for the advice... That is an awsome and enlightening thread you started there.

But once people see than an Article V Convention is nothing to fear, they realize they’ve found a way around congressional intransigence. So three years later, when 34 states petition for an Article V Convention to repeal the 16th Amendment, everyone knows what to do.

And I run again. And this time they listen to me.

Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:44:20 PM by Publius

Hopefully it will be in 09 and not three years later!

[null and void]

BLOAT Alert!

[IrishPennant]

Caveat... ANY discussion we might have here is surely being monitored by those in government hostile to liberty. BE AWARE. Some folks are sailing mighty close to the wind and the FedGov thugs would LOVE an excuse to shut down this board. PUBLIC discussions on topics like this need to be like Caesar’s wife: TOTALLY above reproach.

Need to be repeated!!!

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Where would 0bama get soldiers to enforce his fiats?

Drug infested urban areas. Where else? When I read comments about a coming revolution, I wonder if anyone has given thought to the already lawless, armed population in most urban and suburban areas. You know, the ones stricter gun laws never come close to touching.

[redgolum]

Be careful what you wish for. This won't be the American Civil War part two, this will be more like the Finnish Civil war.

No clear lines, and much bloodshed.

[KrisKrinkle]

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