'Sanctions' sought in President's Eligibility case

WorldNet Daily ^ | Feb. 13, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[SvenMagnussen]

A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state's electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama's records.

[Fred Nerks]

Like Father, Like Son

Raila Odinga is a committed Marxist who was educated in East Germany and named one of his sons “Fidel” after Fidel Castro. Odinga’s father, Oginga, served as Vice President of Kenya under Jomo Kenyatta’s presidency in the 1960s. Kenyatta formerly ran the Mau Mau, a terrorist group that ravaged that nation in the 1950s and killed countless white farmers. (Barack Obama, Sr. also served in the Kenyatta administration before he died in an alcohol-induced car crash in 1982. Obama, Sr. was a self-identified socialist.)

Time magazine in 1965 characterized Oginga Odinga as “openly attempting to turn the new nation toward Communism.”

His son, Raila Odinga ran for the presidency of Kenya in 2007 against rival Mwai Kibaki. He lost the election by at least 230,000 votes. In a strategy already worked out in advance, he then claimed voter fraud and incited riots that eventually took the lives of more than 1,000 people and displaced as many as 600,000 citizens.

Obama And Machete Politics

Obama took trips to Kenya at taxpayer expense in 2004, 2005, and 2006.

[Chief Engineer]

For the past two days I have been working on the various inaccuracies of the “official story” and I went to the wiki on Ann Dunham. While there I noticed someone had included the following:
It was posted on the Ann Dunham wiki article but was removed within 24 hours.

“According to an inaccurate story by Jodi Kantor on the front page of The New York Times on January 21, 2009, U.S. President Barack Obama’s parents Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, Sr. met at the Center (they actually met in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii in 1960, married on February 2, 1961—three months before the groundbreaking on May 9, 1961 for the Center’s first buildings, and Barack Obama, Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962—three months before the Center’s first buildings were completed and opened in September 1962), as did his mother and her second husband Lolo Soetoro, and his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng and her husband Konrad Ng.[22]”
When I first discovered it on Ann Dunham’s wiki article I decided to do a little digging. I went right to the East West Center website and found this:
“Abdul Zia, the EWC’s first student grantee, meets with University of Hawaii President Lawrence Snyder (right) and the Center’s first chief executive, Acting Chancellor Murray Turnbull.”

Abdul Zia was the first student of the East West Center in September 1960, he is from Pakistan.
found here:
http://www.eastwestcenter.org/about-ewc/origins/

I then read two articles from the 1960’s about the East West Center printed in Time and will send them along as well. Pay close attention to the comment about the moslems and the grants students were given to be students at the East West Center. As far as I can tell Abdul Zia was the ONLY East West Center student in 1960 before the population expanded but the students essentially went to classes with all the other students of UH at Manoa, there was no separate buildings for them until fall of 1962.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,897832,00.html

and another article written a few years after the first one.
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,833505,00.html

It makes me wonder when I read about the two month tour of the mainland as part of the program if perhaps Sr did apply after being at UH for a year? Just one more thing to look into but Jr made the mistake originally when he said his parents met at the East West Center. He doesn’t pay much attention to history! When Sr arrived in HI he was interviewed by both local papers and mentioned that he had saved only enough money to go to University for two semesters. His official sponsor was Elizabeth Mooney Kirk as a member of the Kenyan student airlift but was he perhaps “double dipping” and receiving money from Kirk and the government as a student of the East-West Center???????

[DAVEY CROCKETT]

Auchi could have enough money to mess with the stock market. I think we are being blackmailed.

[Chief Engineer]

If we aren’t being blackmailed then Jr with his secrecy is completely open to blackmail by any foreign government or entity so inclined and with the dollars to dig deeper than we Freepers can!

[Fred Nerks]

This popped out at me:

“...The bait: two-year scholarships, valued at $9,000, including transportation, books, board and room, $50 a month spending money, and a two-month study tour of the mainland...”

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,897832,00.html

obama snr and his trip around the US before Harvard, is this where the funds came from? Probably.

[Michael Michael]

The US is a signatory to the Hague Convention’s standards for international adoption, and those rules do allow the legal parents and guardians to renounce any former citizenship of a custodial minor.

You might wish to take the time and actually read what the Hague Convention says about adoption.

Loss of citizenship is conditional upon the laws of the state recognizing that citizenship can be lost as the result of adoption.

Specifically:

CHAPTER IV

ADOPTION

Article 17

If the law of a State recognises that its nationality may be lost as the result of adoption, this loss shall be conditional upon the acquisition by the person adopted of the nationality of the person by whom he is adopted, under the law of the State of which the latter is a national relating to the effect of adoption upon nationality.

There was no provision under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 for the loss of US citizenship by way of adoption.

Therefore, even if Obama had been adopted, he could not have lost his US citizenship.

Try again.

[Chief Engineer]

Exactly but if Sr was double dipping and getting money from Elizabeth Mooney Kirk AND receiving such funding then that could have made his THREE month tour completely possible! He arrived at Harvard on a crisp, cool fall day at the end of September 1962 after leaving Hawaii on the Madsen line June 22,1962.
He had already set himself up to be a candidate when he said to the local papers he had only saved enough money to pay for two semesters of University which would be for the 1959-60 school year. Apply and receive funding from the feds and he has it made in the shade and could move into the small, single story house at 625 11th Ave in the St Louis Heights area and live high on the hog compared to many students.

[rodguy911]

The Frank Marshall connection is interesting to say the least. We know so little about this clown.Who knows just what info is on the BC.

[Candor7]

Thanks mojito!

[patriot08]

I’d love for them to be real..but they could easily be photoshopped. Kinda look like it

[Michael Michael]

This is from Wikipedia. Note the first sentence of the last paragraph. This details the 2006 Hague revision, but the laws in 1980 were not much different. I shall find them and post them for you.

Here, why don't you read the actual text of the convention.

CONVENTION ON PROTECTION OF CHILDREN AND CO-OPERATION IN RESPECT OF INTERCOUNTRY ADOPTION

You won't find the word "nationality" anywhere in there.

That's because nationality is covered under the 1930 convention relating to the conflict of of nationality laws, of which I have already cited the relevant portion concerning adoption.

[Fred Nerks]

He arrived at Harvard on a crisp, cool fall day at the end of September 1962 after leaving Hawaii on the Madsen line June 22,1962.

So, for three months from June, obama snr was a tourist until he commenced at Harvard in September 1962...where it is maintained he couldn't take his 'family' because there was no student married accommodation or financial assistance provided...and little obama would have been just over one year of age...right?

did Stanley Ann actually ever get as far as Harvard? It is maintained her ambition was to join 'her husband' but something went wrong...(maybe he had already met Ruth?)

oh never mind, the book is NOVEL we know NOTHING about the man. We knew nothing a year ago when we first started and we know precious little more now, except that when you stir some islam and marxism into a 6.5% African-American pot you get an ISLAMOFASCIST with what looks like a tan.

Btw, the obots on this forum are probably the same people who took part in engineering this fraud right from the beginning. We are probably engaging in discussions with a team of frauds and forgers.

[Chief Engineer]

Her high school friends think she may have gone to Cambridge but they might have been mistaken. She did remain in Washington state and many of them were unaware she was there. John Hunt and Barbara Cannon Rusk are the only two who relayed stories of visiting her when she was in WA after that initial visit she had with Susan Blake and the visit two weeks later with Maxine Box. Maxine was even attending University of Washington the same time Ann was a student there but didn’t even know it!Jr was just over a year old when his father arrived at Harvard, and I wonder if Sr ever even saw him after he was born but before he was 10.
As far as the obot detractors go I simply ignore them because even if they are asked a question they avoid answering anything which is actually known such as the fact that the address on the birth announcement was the home of Orland and Thelma Lefforge not the home of the Dunhams or Obama Sr. They repeat the same points over and over, similar to those who said before the election that Obama would show his birth certificate off after the election in a “Gotch’a” moment and that people should concentrate on the issues. I’m still waiting for the “Gotch’a” moment and the issues didn’t matter anymore than the fact that Jr didn’t say anything in his “marvelous speeches”. (sarcasm intended on that last sentence!)

[DMZFrank]

This is from Chapter IV, Sec 17 of what you sent me that you said was the Hague convention. The most important provision is approval by the respective states. We are pretty sure that Hussein WAS legally adopted and the newly issued BC that reflects that will probably prove it. But you don’t want us to see that evidence, right???

Article 17
Any decision in the State of origin that a child should be entrusted to prospective adoptive parents may only be
made if –
a) the Central Authority of that State has ensured that the prospective adoptive parents agree;
b) the Central Authority of the receiving State has approved such decision, where such approval is required by the
law of that State or by the Central Authority of the State of origin;
c) the Central Authorities of both States have agreed that the adoption may proceed; and
d) it has been determined, in accordance with Article 5, that the prospective adoptive parents are eligible and
suited to adopt and that the child is or will be authorized to enter and reside permanently in the receiving State.

But you might want to check ths from the below section:

(i) that the child will be permitted to enter and reside
permanently, or on the same basis as the adopting parent, in
the receiving country; and
(ii) that the central authority (or other competent
authority) of such other Convention country consents to the
adoption, if such consent is necessary under the laws of such
country for the adoption to become final.

SUBCHAPTER III - RECOGNITION OF CONVENTION ADOPTIONS IN THE UNITED
STATES

-HEAD-
Sec. 14932. Adoptions of children emigrating from the United States

-STATUTE-
(a) Duties of accredited agency or approved person
In the case of a Convention adoption involving the emigration of
a child residing in the United States to a foreign country, the
accredited agency or approved person providing adoption services,
or the prospective adoptive parent or parents acting on their own
behalf (if permitted by the laws of such other Convention country
in which they reside and the laws of the State in which the child
resides), shall do the following:
(1) Ensure that, in accordance with the Convention -
(A) a background study on the child is completed;
(B) the accredited agency or approved person -
(i) has made reasonable efforts to actively recruit and
make a diligent search for prospective adoptive parents to
adopt the child in the United States; and
(ii) despite such efforts, has not been able to place the
child for adoption in the United States in a timely manner;
and

(C) a determination is made that placement with the
prospective adoptive parent or parents is in the best interests
of the child.

(2) Furnish to the State court with jurisdiction over the case -

(A) documentation of the matters described in paragraph (1);
(B) a background report (home study) on the prospective
adoptive parent or parents (including a criminal background
check) prepared in accordance with the laws of the receiving
country; and
(C) a declaration by the central authority (or other
competent authority) of such other Convention country -
(i) that the child will be permitted to enter and reside
permanently, or on the same basis as the adopting parent, in
the receiving country; and
(ii) that the central authority (or other competent
authority) of such other Convention country consents to the
adoption, if such consent is necessary under the laws of such
country for the adoption to become final.

(3) Furnish to the United States central authority -
(A) official copies of State court orders certifying the
final adoption or grant of custody for the purpose of adoption;
(B) the information and documents described in paragraph (2),
to the extent required by the United States central authority;
and
(C) any other information concerning the case required by the
United States central authority to perform the functions
specified in subsection (c) of this section or otherwise to
carry out the duties of the United States central authority
under the Convention.
(b) Conditions on State court orders
An order declaring an adoption to be final or granting custody
for the purpose of adoption in a case described in subsection (a)
of this section shall not be entered unless the court -
(1) has received and verified to the extent the court may find
necessary -
(A) the material described in subsection (a)(2) of this
section; and
(B) satisfactory evidence that the requirements of Articles 4
and 15 through 21 of the Convention have been met; and

(2) has determined that the adoptive placement is in the best
interests of the child.
(c) Duties of the Secretary of State
In a case described in subsection (a) of this section, the
Secretary, on receipt and verification as necessary of the material
and information described in subsection (a)(3) of this section,
shall issue, as applicable, an official certification that the
child has been adopted or a declaration that custody for purposes
of adoption has been granted, in accordance with the Convention and
this chapter.
(d) Filing with registry regarding non-Convention adoptions
Accredited agencies, approved persons, and other persons,
including governmental authorities, providing adoption services in
an intercountry adoption not subject to the Convention that
involves the emigration of a child from the United States shall
file information required by regulations jointly issued by the
Attorney General and the Secretary of State for purposes of
implementing section 14912(e) of this title.

[DAVEY CROCKETT]

There is no real time line.

Soon after Barack was born, Dunham and her new son moved to Seattle. They lived in Apartment 2 of the Villa Ria Apartments at 516 13th Avenue E on Capitol Hill, and she enrolled at the University of Washington. But their stay was fairly short — about a year — and in 1962 they returned to Hawaii. By this time the senior Barack Obama had left Hawaii to continue his education at Harvard, with eventual plans to return to his native Kenya with his family. Dunham felt otherwise and filed for divorce in 1964.

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897

[DMZFrank]

“If the law of a State recognises that its nationality may be lost as the result of adoption, this loss shall be conditional upon the acquisition by the person adopted of the nationality of the person by whom he is adopted, under the law of the State of which the latter is a national relating to the effect of adoption upon nationality.”

Please reread this VERY carefully. Parse EACH word precisely and contextually. You will see that it argues FOR Soetero Sr. to renounce Hussein’s US citizenship so that he could assume Barry Soetero Srs. citizenship and reside in Indonesia with him.

If you read it any other way, than I suggest you submit it to a lawyer friend and have him explain it to you. You may be a victim of cognitive dissonance.

Hussein was fully eligible to regain his naturalized US citizenship at age 18. He apparently did not do so. But again, that is why we need to LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND THAT IS WHY HE IS STONEWALLING!!!!

[TruthWillWin]

If those are photoshopped then whoever did it was much better that whoever did the BC Obama posted on the internet.

[Fred Nerks]

By this time the senior Barack Obama had left Hawaii to continue his education at Harvard, with eventual plans to return to his native Kenya with his family. Dunham felt otherwise and filed for divorce in 1964.

That should read by this time the senior Barack Obama had left Hawaii to continue his education at Harvard, where he met Ruth who later followed him to Kenya...

[Chief Engineer]

What little timeline is known leaves gaping holes in it. We know Ann began classes at UH at Manoa on Sept 26,1960 and her friends in WA did receive letters from her. Susan Blake in her video interview or one of her newspaper interviews mentioned that she received a letter from Ann in the early spring of 1961 saying she was getting married. By then we know that the “official story” says Ann and Obama Sr married Thursday, Feb.2/61 well before spring. There is no witness to Ann’s whereabouts from the time the first semester is completed and her sudden appearance with Jr in WA. At this point in time there has not been a single classmate from the infamous Russian language class that has come forward either. Of the six known friends of Obama Sr we only have Neil Abercrombie mentioning Ann, but then again he was also an instructor at UH in the 1970’s before he entered politics. Chet Gorman, Peter Gilpin, Pake Zane, Arnie Nachmanoff and Hal Abercrombie do not remember Ann having attended the student gatherings at which they all were present. After looking into this for over six months I am still left with more questions than answers and a lot of holes to fill. The number of inaccuracies is incredible because so many took Jr’s book as true and failed to properly investigate. The original article about Anna Obama living on Capitol Hill was written in early January and is posted on FR but the timeline is still vague as to when she left WA and returned to HI with Jr. The last person who mentioned seeing her is Barbara Cannon Rusk who is unsure if she visited Ann at the Capitol Hill apartment in late fall of 1962 either just before the end of the 1962 World’s Fair or after it ended. She was interviewed by Michael Patrick Leahy and an excerpt of her interview can be found in a cached version of his book “What does Obama Believe”.

[visually_augmented]

It is very odd that the faces of each of the three photos is virtually identical. I would say these are obvious photo-shop...