'Sanctions' sought in President's Eligibility case

WorldNet Daily ^ | Feb. 13, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[SvenMagnussen]

A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state's electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama's records.

[Chief Engineer]

At this point in time I have found no evidence that they knew each other or were in the same place at the same time or ever crossed paths prior to meeting in Chicago. Does that cover all possibilities for you?

[little jeremiah]

No worry - my question was kind of dumb, anyway!! Basically he’s covered his tracks for his whole life. Who the he!! knows who he hung out with or practically any details of his life, including his nationality and legal name!

[little jeremiah]

BTTT for the truth, and said well, in big readable font and colors.

Thank you!!!!

[Chief Engineer]

I did find two further names of some of Sr’s friends and will try to see what I can find out about them if my heaache leaves.

Friends of Obama Sr at UH at Manoa

Hal & Neil Abercrombie
Arnie Nachmanoff
Peter Gilpin
Pake Zane and
Chet Gorman
Interesting that of 6 named friends only ONE remembers Ann and Sr being together, and that one taught at UH in the 70’s prior to his involvement in politics!

[Michael Michael]

SO, you see, Congress CAN modify certain things itself (for example, "Citizen") if it gives itself the RIGHT to do so, and is granted that power by the states in the course of Constitutional Amendment. It has NOT given itself the right to modify “Natural Born Citizen”.

The Fourteenth Amendment didn't modify "natural born citizen." What it did was define it once and for all.

"Natural born citizen" as appears in Article II was not given as definitive, but rather referential. It did not say who was a "natural born citizen," it was simply referring to citizenship other than citizenship by way of naturalization, i.e. citizenship by birth.

The Fourteenth Amendment firmly established just two types of citizenship for the United States. Citizenship by birth, and citizenship by naturalization. If you are neither of these, you simply are not a citizen of the United States of any sort.

The reason people have attempted to amend the constitution with regard to the natural born citizen clause of Article II is because a natural born citizen of any stripe is one who is a citizen by birth, and not through naturalization. Therefore the only way to allow a naturalized citizen to hold the office of President, is to amend the Constitution.

[BP2]

I'm sorry, the most recent attempt to "directly" modify or re-define NBC by changing the Constitution was REALLY in 2005 (here it is, plus a few more, too):

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 15

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to make eligible for the Office of President a person who is not a natural born citizen of the United States but has been a United States citizen for at least 20 years.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 1, 2005

Mr. ROHRABACHER introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to make eligible for the Office of President a person who is not a natural born citizen of the United States but has been a United States citizen for at least 20 years.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:

`Article --

`A person who is a citizen of the United States, who has been a citizen of the United States for at least 20 years, and who is otherwise eligible to hold the Office of the President, is not ineligible to hold that Office by reason of not being a native born citizen of the United States.'.

108th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2128

To define the term `natural born Citizen' as used in the Constitution of the United States to establish eligibility for the Office of President.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

February 25, 2004

Mr. NICKLES (for himself, Ms. LANDRIEU, and Mr. INHOFE) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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A BILL

To define the term `natural born Citizen' as used in the Constitution of the United States to establish eligibility for the Office of President.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Natural Born Citizen Act'.

SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF `NATURAL BORN CITIZEN' .

(a) IN GENERAL- Congress finds and declares that the term `natural born Citizen' in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States means--

(1) any person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; and

(2) any person born outside the United States--

(A) who derives citizenship at birth from a United States citizen parent or parents pursuant to an Act of Congress; or

(B) who is adopted by 18 years of age by a United States citizen parent or parents who are otherwise eligible to transmit citizenship to a biological child pursuant to an Act of Congress.

(b) UNITED STATES- In this section, the term `United States', when used in a geographic sense, means the several States of the United States and the District of Columbia.

108th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. J. RES. 104

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to make eligible for the Office of President a person who is not a natural born citizen of the United States but has been a United States citizen for at least 20 years.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

September 15, 2004

Mr. ROHRABACHER introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

---

JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to make eligible for the Office of President a person who is not a natural born citizen of the United States but has been a United States citizen for at least 20 years.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:

`Article --

`A person who is a citizen of the United States, who has been a citizen of the United States for at least 20 years, and who is otherwise eligible to hold the Office of the President, is not ineligible to hold that Office by reason of not being a native born citizen of the United States.'.

107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 47

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to make eligible for the Office of President a person who has been a United States citizen for twenty years.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

May 2, 2001

Mr. FRANK (for himself and Mr. HOEKSTRA) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

---

JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to make eligible for the Office of President a person who has been a United States citizen for twenty years.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:

`Article--

`A person who is a citizen of the United States, who has been for twenty years a citizen of the United States, and who is otherwise eligible to the Office of President, is not ineligible to that Office by reason of not being a natural born citizen of the United States.'.

And we have this little gem from 2008, preceding Leahy's Senate Resolution for Senator McCain:

110th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2678

To clarify the law and ensure that children born to United States citizens while serving overseas in the military are eligible to become President.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

February 28, 2008

Mrs. MCCASKILL introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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A BILL

To clarify the law and ensure that children born to United States citizens while serving overseas in the military are eligible to become President.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act'.

SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF `NATURAL BORN CITIZEN' .

Congress finds and declares that the term `natural born Citizen' in article II, section 1, clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States shall include: `Any person born to any citizen of the United States while serving in the active or reserve components of the United States Armed Forces'.

They're referring to an Immigration Act, possibly the rescinded 1790 Act when they say, "To clarify the law and ensure that children born to United States citizens while serving overseas in the military are eligible to become President."

I suppose the Congressmen must think Natural Born Citizen is defined in some manner, otherwise they wouldn't bother, huh?

They must be confused or something...

[BP2]

BP2- you must know that Donofrio interpreted this to mean that the 1790 NBC distinction (interesting you use the word “tired”) being dropped only five years later in near identical context meant for the implicit (Donofrio might even say explicit) elimination of the distinction

NO, I FULLY agree with Donofrio on this point (I was being sarcastic earlier).

That's why, regardless of the admiration I have for McCain's sacrifices for his country in Vietnam (and all fellow vets born overseas), it is my position that he cannot serve as President.

[Quix]

LORD JESUS, FATHER GOD ALMIGHTY, BY YOUR SPIRIT, PLEASE, LORD,

BEGIN TO CAUSE

ALL THE FAMILIES OF ALL THE GUILTY TRAITORS TO WAKE UP AND SHUN THEM

--TO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM
--TO SPIT AT MENTION OF THEIR NAME
--TO WALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET TO AVOID THEM
--TO BAN THEM FROM THEIR HOMES AND PROPERTIES
--TO HANG UP THE PHONE ON THEM
--TO COMMUNICATE VERY WAY POSSIBLE THAT SUCH TRAITORS ARE NOW CONSIDERED WORSE THAN PIG POOP.

LET ALL SUCH TRAITORS BEGIN TO FEEL THE COLD ISOLATING WINDS OF THE HOT FIRES OF HELL BLOW THROUGH THEIR BONES WITH INCREASING FIERCENESS.

SO LET IT BE, AMEN!

May any redeemable be brought to confession, repentance and redemption. May all those destined for hell be removed from public life and influence as soon as possible that their punishment be lessened because their evil deeds were lessened.

Let all so inclined to pray in agreement do so in all soberness and seriousness. AMEN.

END TIMES PING LIST PING. Let Joya, MarySecretary and I know if you want on or off the list.

[rodguy911]

I see you are proudly displayed on the troll list as you should be.

[ml/nj]

While your heart is probably in the right place, your YELLING, particularly when you are wrong, annoys me.

The "elastic clause" certainly gave Congress the power to define what natural-born-citizen meant. The early Congresses did this in case of another word used in the Contitution, dollar, but unfortunately they didn't do it with natural-born.

ML/NJ

[BrerLion]

[Michael Michael]

Hope that’s a mocha in that cup. ;)

[rodguy911]

Great job here,good work.

[BrerLion]

Would you believe it, I had to pose for a whole morning before I got a picture that did me justice. The tea got cold, and we had to airbrush-in the steam. Still, it’s a very good likeness.

[Frantzie]

SO Congress know all about this issue but has buried their head in the sand? Supposedly Ron Paul said on a radio show recently that the courts will never touch any pf these cases?

Miltary cases have to be sent up along with the new Orly state Rep cases. O is a Trojan Horse for Islam to take over. I am in an airport and all the servoces personnel doing t he garbage, foot courts are Somalis. I have seen this at a lot of airports. They are big trouble.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Stepping back in time.....

“You mean (GASP!) ARNIE cannot be President? Why? He is a citizen. You mean he needs to be BORN in the USA? He can be a Gov, but not a President? Why, it isn’t fair.”

There was a movement to change the CONSTITUTION to allow persons such as Arnie to run for President. Both sides of the aisle had persons who thought that was a good idea. “The time has come to change the Consitution” blah, blah, blah.

Lots of energy expended to fix a non-issue.

[Red Steel]

Supposedly Ron Paul said on a radio show recently that the courts will never touch any pf these cases?

So did Paul query the opinion of all the judges in the Unites States?

[Frantzie]

I saw it on either oilforimmigration or therightsideoflife in one of the responses. I did not find his quote myself. He supposedly said it on an internet radio show recently.

I hope Paul is wrong. He said he was focusing on beating the Fed Reserve.

My hope is Gary Kreep gets his OXY College records.

Orly’s TN cases looks pretty good too. I hope they can get more TN state reps. I said to a fR person that these TN pols are heroes but pols generally do not stick their necks out. They must have some pretty good evidence to stick their necks out. Pols are generally very cautious.

[Michael Michael]

Would you believe it, I had to pose for a whole morning before I got a picture that did me justice. The tea got cold, and we had to airbrush-in the steam. Still, it’s a very good likeness.

Er, TEA? I'll pass. I want mocha and sympathy, not tea and sympathy. And instead of Deborah Kerr, I'll take Marisa Tomei. ;)

[Frantzie]

O had Sen Ryan’s divorce case unselaed through his proxies. Mr. And Mrs. Ryan wanted the files kept sealed.

Why should O’s records be protected?