'Sanctions' sought in President's Eligibility case

WorldNet Daily ^ | Feb. 13, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[SvenMagnussen]

A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state's electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama's records.

[Non-Sequitur]

No, they are not. Amendment 14 defines two paths to US citizenship, but NOWHERE in this Amendment will you find the term, "natural born citizen." Amendment 14 does not in any way affect the usage or meaning of the term, "natural born citizen," in Article II.

The Constitution also defines two, and only two forms of citizenship - natural born and naturalized. If we agree that there are only two forms of citizenship and that one of them is naturalized then it kind of narrows down the other form, doesn't it?

The term has always been interpreted to mean a child born on US Soil of two US citizens...

Not by any law or clause of the Constitution or legal decision I'm aware of.

[DAVEY CROCKETT]

Why would any one go to this much trouble to sell a picture on e bay...

http://cgi.ebay.it/Kenya-RARE-Cuba-Did-FIDEL-CASTRO-Plan-Birth-of-OBAMA_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ110329334804

Kenya RARE Cuba Did FIDEL CASTRO Plan Birth of OBAMA?
...Take Over USA? We Report You Decide Fair & Balanced!

[YellowRoseofTx]

Ok, did I miss something? I don’t see a connection with Castro and Zero

[visually_augmented]

I considered this potential at first as well but in all the birth certificates I have seen from the 60’s there are only race entries for mother and father. The child in question is essentially defined by the race of the parents.

But if w4women’s statement that Obama Sr. was not on the original BC would by default mean that Obama Jr. is considered caucasian by birth due to his mother’s race.

[seekthetruth]

WHY WAS POST # 80 PULLED??
I could not find the article at the link. Guess I do not know what I am supposed to be looking for. :)

[LucyT]

Don’t know why it was pulled; gone before I could read it, either. Davey, can you frmail it to us?

[visually_augmented]

From article: "The lawyer for the college, Stuart W. Rudnick of Musick, Peeler & Garrett, urgently contacted Fredric D. Woocher of Strumwasser & Woocher."

"This firm is counsel to Occidental College. The College is in receipt of the enclosed subpoena that seeks certain information concerning President-Elect Barack Obama," he wrote via fax. "Inasmuch as the subpoena appears to be valid on its face, the College will have no alternative but to comply with the subpoena absent a court order instructing otherwise."

I find this statement quite revealing. Why did Occidental College not immediately comply with a legal order? Obviously Obama has "trip wires" set all along his historical past. Each time someone attempts to get some critical piece of information regarding Obama's past, he obviously has someone in place to sound the alarm. It makes you wonder who he has in Hawaii, at Harvard, in Indonesia, etc. It also makes you wonder how much he might be "paying off" these stoolies (either financially or with favors).

Maybe mlo, curiosity, or Michael Michael can tell us how much can be made??

[BP2]

> (NBC is) Not by any law or clause of the Constitution or legal decision I'm aware of.

Non-Seq... Back to your old tricks again...

Since you're being such a strict Constructionist, I suppose you want the 17 female Senators to step down...

Article 2, Section 3, Clause 3 of the US Constitution:

“No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.”

That's right -- HE

In fact, Article 2, Sections 2 & 3 both refer to Representatives, Senators and even the President with the masculine pronoun. The 19th Amendment affords women the right to vote, not hold those offices.

So your coy little argument of “'Not by any law or clause of the Constitution or legal decision I'm aware of,' so therefore NBC doesn't exist,” is specious and laughable.

Tell that to the Congressmen AND CongressWOMEN who have tried, AND FAILED, to modify or remove the “Natural Born Citizen” clause a total of 26 times since the 1870s. THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW SOMETHING YOU DO NOT.

If Websters can be used to define the gender-neutral pronoun of “he”, Vattel's Law of Nations can most certainly and accurately be used to define “Natural Born Citizen”.

So, as much as it pains me to admit it, Barbara Boxer is permitted to hold office as a Senator. The same cannot be said for the Defendant-in-Chief as president...

[visually_augmented]

Ping

[little jeremiah]

And IIRC, wasn’t it at Oxy that he lived in the section where foreign students lived?

[BP2]

Obviously not BHO, but a curious photo nonethless.

[LucyT]

Castro in Kenya with whom?

[Darwin Fish]

There must be something really incredible on that vault birth certificate which would cause quite a stir.

[Non-Sequitur]

If Websters can be used to define the gender-neutral pronoun of “he”, Vattel's Law of Nations can most certainly and accurately be used to define “Natural Born Citizen”.

Vattel can define whatever he wants. The underlying foundation for our rule of law is the Constitution and not a 17th century Dutch lawyer. We are governed by it and by the laws created under it. And none of them happen to agree with Vattel's definition. Or your's.

[Fred Nerks]

Castro arrives in Washington, D.C. on April 15, 1959.

On January 8, 1959, Castro's army rolled victoriously into Havana.[36] As news of the fall of Batista's government spread through Havana, The New York Times described the scene as one of jubilant crowds pouring into the streets and automobile horns honking. The black and red flag of the 26th of July Movement waved on automobiles and buildings...

[Plummz]

I think it’s more likely he registered as Barack Obama, Kenyan; than Barry Soetoro, Indonesian.

Would that we could see the records and know for sure!

[BP2]

Well then, Non-Seq... you need to start demanding here on FR with great vigor for Nancy Pelosi’s resignation based SOLELY upon the fact she's a WOMAN:

Art I, Sect 2, Clause 2: No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Because, as you know, “HE” is not defined in the Constitution as a gender-neutral pronoun...

Yeah, that's how roll-our-eyes sophomoric your position on NBC sounds to 99% of the readers here on FR... LOL