Posted on 01/23/2009 5:36:07 PM PST by CalifScreaming
Eight Arizona legislators have introduced SB 1158, to require presidential candidates at the general election to submit “documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen.” Since “natural born citizen” is not defined in the bill, nor in the U.S. Constitution, one wonders which documents John McCain would have been required to produce in 2008, if this bill had been law. He was born either in Panama or in the Canal Zone.
The bill also requires presidential candidates to submit documents that prove they meet the residency requirement. The Constitution requires presidents to have lived in the United States for the preceding 14 years. Finally, the bill requires presidential candidates to prove their age. The bill applies to independent presidential candidates, and to the presidential nominees of qualified parties. For party nominees, the bill requires the “national political party committee” to be responsible for obtaining the documents from its presidential candidate. The bill also applies to candidates for vice-president.
The bill’s lead sponsors are Senator Russell Pearce (R-Mesa) and Representative Judy Burges (R-Skull Valley). The other sponsors are Senators Pamela Gorman (R-Anthem), Ron Gould (R-Lake Havasu City), Chuck Gray (R-Mesa), Jack Harper (R-Surprise), Thayer Verschoor (R-Gilbert), and Representative Carl Seel (R-Phoenix).
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Thanks for your post. Now please go crawl back under the rock you came from.
And exactly why should I listen to you?.... LOL...
We are still a GOP state here in AZ!. wahoo for my representation here.
Arizona INCREASED our GOP representation in both houses last November, we have a GOP governor (again) as well as two senators and a majority of congressmen,
Good news. Hopefully the voters in AZ will retire McCain. I never understood the attraction until I went to Scottsdale and saw the huge General Dynamics block of buildings. My guess is Juan brings home the defense contracts. Hopefully JFD Hayworth or somebody replaces McCain.
McCain controls the AZ Chamber, they control the AZ GOP and no one ever has the nerve to oppose him, he wins because he runs unopposed.
Nope it is not over. In fact is is just starting. Berg’s case in the lower district court might be the one or Orly’s military case. Orly supposedly has a realtive so the BC can be accessed. This week 2 new cases were filed with more coming. A more knowledgeable FR person here said SCOTUS may be waiting for the right case.
There are multiple cases still technically alive like Cort Wrotnowski’s. Leo has been researching Scalia’s writings and is looking at grand jury ides. Scalia may have left clues for citizens to use the Constitution to protect us from usurpers and tyrants.
And exactly why should anyone listen to you? You’re among the tinfoil hat crowd that would like to ask these 8 legislators to prove aliens exist at Area 51 and they could stop the abductions. When you post reasoning like that, it’s a sign that your reasoning skills are limited, at best.
“Talk about making sense...” ... LOL...
p.s. when you argue against a point that already has a /sarcasm tag put up on it, that’s the reasoning equivalence of drooling at the mouth at a formal dinner.
Amazingly intelligent... [... not ... LOL... ]
We would all like for this to be true, but I don’t think that the SCOTUS will actually touch this case with a 100’ pole. First, because he has already been sworn in and has assumed the office. Second (and, IMO, more importantly) if the SCOTUS declares him to be ineligible to serve as POTUS, it will not only create a Constitutional crisis the likes of which we have never seen before in this country, it will probably also trigger violence of previously unseen levels.
This country will be split wide open along both racial and political lines. We already have a hostile political climate between conservatives and liberals that has become increasingly shrill over the past 2 decades. Obama also allowed so many people to speak glowingly of all the things he would do as POTUS and set people’s expectations so high, I don’t honestly believe that the SCOTUS will want anything to do with this case. In the event that I am wrong (and there’s always a good chance that I am), black Americans will claim that he was ruled ineligible by a (virtually) all white court because he is black. Yes, I know Clarence Thomas is black, but I also know that liberal blacks (who constitute ~90 - 95% of all blacks) believe him to be an oreo; an uncle Tom and they will not honor the ruling.
So, if you want to see this nation split down the middle when it erupts in what could be Civil War, the Sequel, keep hoping for the SCOTUS to take this case and make a ruling. There is a good likelihood that we will NEVER be able to restore America to a single nation again after the dust settles from the violence.
This doesn’t mean that I am opposed to having them hear the case. All it means is that I am a realist and pragmatist and recognize that this is a lose-lose situation that needs to just fade away.
Great post.
Bottom line, lets all be cowards and simply forget the Constitution because it is easier that way, and we can all go to work without a bunch of torched cars and screaming morons blocking the streets.
Brilliant!
If the usurper stays it will be far far worse. Bank on it. say goodbye to America. Repubs win in 2010 - not when ACORN has billions. SCOTUS deals with the usurper now or there will be nothing left in a few years or less.
Ideologically, I agree with you. We are eithere a nations of laws and not men, or we aren’t. However, even the most passionate, ardent lawyer will tell you that, sometimes, doing the right thing in the law is the wrong thing. And I believe that this is going to be one of those times.
I think there are other factors in play that we need to examine before going off the deep end and deciding that America is toast. First, there is the fact that Obama set expectations so incredibly high, there is no way he can deliver. IOW, he has over-promised and will under-perform. Secondly, we have to look at the fact that his approval rate is slipping after less than 2 weeks on the job as more and more people begin to realize we elected an inexperienced amateur to be the President-in-training (PIT).
It isn’t just Republicans who are unhappy with him, some on the left are also beginning to grumble because they believed all the pretty lies he told during the campaign. When we look at the fact that by this time next year, America will be MUCH worse off economically than it is today, how happy do you think people will be when they see that for all the so-called “stimulus” money he has gotten Congress to throw at this problem, the economy will still be in the tank?? When their job is gone, it doesn’t matter how “popular” obi wa nobama is, all his popularity won’t put food on their table, pay the rent or put clothes on their backs.
The Republicans are disorganized and chaotic, right now. All they can do is sit back and wait for enough people to become angry that the Democrat-controlled Congress and Democrat-controlled WH can’t do the things they claimed they could. That kind of attitude among swing voters (in particular) will push more of them back to the Republican Party in 2010 to re-take the Congress. But it won’t be the result of anything the Republicans did, it will be the result of things the Democrats DIDN’T do, like be able to live up to their promises.
So, as frustrating as his lack of eligibility is and his blatant inexperience is, I’m becoming optimistic that when his “honeymoon” period is over, he may well be on his way to becoming the most UNpopular president EVER!!! I’m also becoming optimistic that by the mid-term elections, he may find it too dangerous to step outside the WH to support other Dems up for re-election. The more he does dumb things like tell the Republicans that they can’t listen to Rush Limbaugh and be part of the game; or tell Washington, D.C. residents that they need to toughen up like they are in Chicago and not let a couple of inches of snow or ice shut the city down, the more he alienates the people who voted for him. When he walks around the WH in shirsleeves because he cranked the thermostat up due to the fact that he hates the cold, all the while telling the rest of America that they have to learn how to live with the thermostat turned down, wearing sweaters or jackets indoors so they can conserve energy, the more he alienates the people he needs. He isn’t a smart guy and I’m not convinced that he will be able to pull off a lot of the things he thinks he will.
So, give things a chance. There may be worse consequences on the horizon for the Obamessiah by letting this issue go and allowing him to continue to make incredibly stupid mistakes by saying incredibly stupid things.
Good post and thanks. I watched a Natl Geographic show about Bush’s secret Thanksgiving flight to iraq. It was on I think last night.
It was heartbreaking as was Bush’s presidency. I contributed money in 2000 and 2004 and made lots of calls in 2004. The whole amnesty thing was too much. The thought that amnesty meant he was controlled by others. I never thought that with Reagan and some say this is why they tried to take Reagan out.
Bush did respect the office and he was incredibly gracious towards the people who worked for him and the soldiers. It was real too. It really tore me up to watch it.
Back to your post. This man is a muslim. He is talking about a refugee program for America plus ACORN getting tens of millions or more. If these things happen it is over. The country is already changing rapidly due to open borders but by 2010 you can pretty much forget it. This faux stimulus scam is just another example.
The market and economy crashed in large part because of him. Look at the charts when it all starts sinking when Hillary loses the nomination which is really stolen. O used ACORN thugs at the caucuses.
I no longer believe we have a rule of law or a Constitution in this country. The rules and laws are enforced for some people.
To be sure, the Constitution is not being respected by those who were entrusted to safeguard it. That doesn't mean we throw our hands up and give up.
Americans aren't always the sharpest knives in the drawer but, we still have the ability to surprise people. Even though we (conservatives) sometimes tend to think that they don't know what's going on, the American people are a lot smarter than they are given credit for. I know that things look bad right now but I think we have to be patient. I am convinced that this situation is going to take care of itself in the relatively near future. I've been around for a long time and have seen the pendulum swing back and forth a time or two. It's easy to get disheartened by listening to the news and, sometimes, logging onto FReerepublic isn't as cheery as it could be.
It may be useful to do SOMETHING, instead of waiting around for the right things to happen. That'll make ya nuts. So, here are some things you might think about doing: 1) When the tide of public opinion starts to turn against the Obamessiah and the Dems, if the 'Pubbies aren't ready with a slate of strong conservatives with backbone and an agenda of their own to step in after we win back some or all of the Congress in 2010, we'll be right back where we are today. We need Republican candidates whose conservative values and principles are unshakeable. We need conservatives with backbone who won't be afraid to stand up to the liberals and take the fight to them. We need conservatives who understand that winning back America isn't a football game, it's the very future of our country; our children's country and our children's children's country.
The Democrats think politics is like winning the Superbowl. For them, it's only about winning or losing and they could care less about policy, propaganda or dogma. We conservatives know differently and understand what is at stake. We must be ready in 2010 with strong leaders who are prepared to show America that the Republican morass we had under Bush is gone and that we are ready to return to the days of Reagan. If we don't, America truly is lost!
You could be part of making that happen by getting involved with the Republican Party in your area. Talk to young people and help them understand that big government just means more FEMA and more Katrina-like fiascos. Help them understand the things they aren't learning in school like the history of this country, why our Founding Fathers wrote the Declaration of Independence and why, 200+ years later, we are in a worse position than we were in 1776. Help them understand the Constitution how it was intended to work and how the politicians from BOTH sides have circumvented, ignored or trampled on the provisions of the Constitution that the Founding Fathers so carefully and thoughtfully ironed out. Most important, help them understand that freedom and self-reliance are what made America great and that the politicians we have at ALL levels have corrupted these attributes by trying to substitute more government for self-reliance and freedom.
If you get angry or frustrated and just give up, we can NEVER win. A friend of mine once told me one of the most valuable pieces of information I've ever had - there's only one way to eat an elephant . . . . . . one bite at a time. We have an elephant to consume and, if we never take the first bite, we will never get rid of the elephant. It will always be there blocking our path.
Good for Russell Pearce! There are some good guys here but unfortunately McCain is always in the limelight.
Great state and will be even better if Juan McCain is sent to retirement.
I have been watching the FBR golf championship from Scottsdale. Aree those mudhens or coots on the golf course. Lots of big birds.
Yea, it’s a nice state EXCEPT in the summer. Can’t help you out with the kind of birds on the course..maybe herons? Don’t watch golf. Hoping the Cards win, though!
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