(Tu-4, an exact copy of the B29)
Posted on 01/12/2009 3:23:08 AM PST by pobeda1945
BEIJING, Jan. 12 (Xinhua) -- The "Mengshi (Warriors)" off-road military vehicle produced by Chinese automaker Dongfeng Motor surpasses U.S. Humvee in 12 out of 15 major battlefield performance indices, chief designer Huang Song has said.
Use by the Chinese military force has proven that "Mengshi" overtakes Humvee in 12 indices, including the loading capacity andoil consumption, and are well-matched with Humvee in three other indices, Huang was quoted as saying by Monday's Economic Information Daily, a Xinhua publication.
It took Dongfeng six years to develop the vehicle, which had undergone more than 200,000 hours of factory tests and more than 1.6 million kilometers of road tests before mass production.
The vehicle was formally equipped to the People's Liberation Army in 2007.
"Mengshi" has also passed various environmental and geological tests, including airdropping, high altitude and extreme heat and cold weather conditions.
With 75 patents, the 1.5-ton high mobility vehicle met all military requirements, said Huang.
It also won the first class award of national science and technology progress at the 2008 State Top Scientific and Technological Awarding Conference here last Friday.
This was the first such award won by the auto industry in 22 years.
Yep either that's one of the three "indices" that didn't measure up or they just didn't do crash testing at all.
I'd bet huge money as well that there are no long-term reliability tests in that report.
No. NFW. Japan's intent has always been to make money by making quality products. The first couple of years were a little rough quality wise.
China's intent has always been to make money. Period. Reliability and quality are absolutely not in the mix. There are uncountable stories of Chinese counterfeiting, poor quality, thievery, and outright fraud every day. And there is no sign whatsoever that they have any intention to make a good product.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the first thing a Chinese company does when they are given (or steal) a design for an electronic device (let's say it's a DVD player) is to sort the list of materials by price, then systematically try to eliminate parts one at a time to determine if the thing still runs without it. If it does, the part stays out. It's left for the customer to determine that that part was there to make sure that the thing still worked after a year as other parts "drifted" slightly away from their original operating characteristics.
If I recall correctly .. x42 signed a law regarding American patents.
What used to be a 99 year protection (I think) was changed to 18 months, or something like that.
China is only CYA'ing themselves to be (more) part of the American economy .. IMO.
It took them 6 years to take apart and reverse engineer a hummer?
A friend of mine has a patent on a taser like device he's trying to sell to the military. I recall him saying his patent was good for 20 years from the date of application. Not sure what x42 did regarding American patents, but I would imagine if he did do something and it involved the Chinese it was not in our best interest.....not to worry, though, I'm confident x42 would have profited handsomely from his efforts.....
A good friend was for a number of years with Army Intelligence and was in charge of analyzing captured Russian vehicles during the Cold War. While analyzing a captured Russian truck with his team it began to remind him of a GM truck that he had owned for many years. It needed a new head gasket so he sent a man down to the auto store and obtained the same one he had used in his GM truck. With some very minor adjustments it fit.
They have taken the HumVee and jumped it with a bunch of improvement patents. Unfortunately, the damage done by Robert Strange McNamara makes it more difficult for us to stay ahead in this game. The damage done to our patent system by Clinton and Gore as amplified under Bush has also put us at a great disadvantage.
It looks like they would not dare use the familiar vertical grill bars. GM wouldn’t like hat.
> China’s intent has always been to make money. Period. Reliability and quality are absolutely not in the mix.
Remember I said that here in NZ we get the Chinese and Indian stuff sooner than you get it in the US (good reasons for that: we are a small-yet-sophisticated test market)?
I think you are still seeing the “cheap phase” stuff, just like Japan had (and BTW it lasted from the close of WW-II until well into the 1960’s. When I was growing up people were still talking about “Jap Crap”)
I have a Chinese drill press in my garage. It is bolt-for-bolt identical to a Ryobi: the castings could have been made in the same moulds.
My drill press is red. The Ryobi is green. That is the only difference. Except the price, of course: I paid $200 less for my drill press than what the Ryobi would have cost.
I have a Dremel tool in front of me, made in China. Except it isn’t a Dremel tool, just a very good imitation. Very rugged. Cost me half what a Dremel would have cost.
I could walk thru my garage and come up with quite a few more examples. The Chinese still make lousy stainless steel and tool steel, but that will change soon.
There are uncountable stories of Chinese counterfeiting, poor quality, thievery, and outright fraud every day. And there is no sign whatsoever that they have any intention to make a good product.
Your story is not the first I’ve heard about the Chinese trying to reverse engineer everything they can get their hands on.
I also laughed about the wrench story. The thing is just like the Japanese tools were once crap the Chinese ones are becoming better and better. Especially since the west insists on giving them fully working factories to reverse engineer!
The article says it weighs 1.5 tons? Is it made of tin foil?
My Nissan Sentra weighs more than that.
Mengshi” overtakes Humvee in 12 indices
How does it compare to a Predator?
The Hummer design is now 25+ years old. Even the Chicoms might come up with improvements.
The same thing happened to me! We were installing a Voice Response platform, and the equipment was tied up in Customs for 2 weeks. When it arrived on site, it had obviously been dis-assembled, and half the hard drives were missing. It failed to boot up, and despite out best efforts on site, it never did work again.
Once we got it back to the States and tore it down, it was clear that someone had been going at the circuit board with a soldering iron, probably attaching wires to defeat the copy protection.
We wrote the entire project off.
1.5 metric tons /s
(Tu-4, an exact copy of the B29)
They are using robots, they’re called “Citizens”...
There are uncountable stories of Chinese counterfeiting...
In the last year or so they've not only been counterfeiting old collectible American coinage, but they've started packaging them in counterfeited PCGS holders. Fortunately, they don't have the hologram and the sealing method right and I haven't gotten to the level in my Morgan collection where I have to worry about getting the 1889-CC and 1893-S in MS-64...
My perspective is also up close and personal. I realize it's a new development (past 12-18 months), and our firm doesn't try to brag about things like this, but we have brought successful patent infringement lawsuits against Chinese manufacturers in Chinese courts. It helps that we are also doing a little bit of our manufacturing in China. The people in charge aren't stupid. They realize that Chinese jobs, and the possibility of future investments, could be lost.
The biggest victim in this regard was not a Western company but Toyota of Japan. They had a contract with the Chinese to build parts for new Toyotas. Unfortunately for Toyota, whoever drafted the contract failed to put in a clause about what would happen to the factory equipment and tooling upon termination of the contract. As you might have expected, the Chinese violated the agreement and then Toyota terminated the contract. But that meant they had just given a fully operational factory with quality Japanese tooling to the Chinese.
Here's how it works. Some guy (who speaks with a New Jersey accent, hint hint) pulls up to the construction site and says to the foreman that he's on his way back from a trade show. He has all of these brand new power tools, and he doesn't want to pay extra to haul them home on the plane, and he's willing to sell them for 50 cents on the dollar ... Expert counterfeiting, all the way down to the labels.
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