Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

It Breaks My Heart To See Israel's Stupidity (Tikkun Stupid Dopehead Alert - MEGABARF)
Sunday Times ^ | 1/04/2009 | Michael Lerner

Posted on 01/04/2009 4:13:33 PM PST by goldstategop

Israel's attempt to wipe out Hamas is understandable, but stupid. No country in the world is going to ignore the provocation of rockets being launched from neighbouring territory day after day. If Mexico had a group of anti-imperialists bombing Texas, imagine how long it would take for America to mobilise a counterattack. Israel has every right to respond.

But the kind of response matters. Killing 500 Palestinians and wounding 2,000 others (at the time of writing) is disproportionate. Hamas can harass, but it cannot pose any threat to the existence of Israel. And just as Hamas's indiscriminate bombing of population centres is a crime against humanity, so is Israel's killing of civilians (at least 130 so far in Gaza, not to mention the thousands in the years of the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza).

Hamas had respected the previously negotiated ceasefire except when Israel used it as cover to make assassination raids. Hamas argued that these raids were hardly a manifestation of a ceasefire, and so as symbolic protest it would allow the release of rocket fire (usually hitting no targets). But when the issue of continuing the ceasefire came up, Hamas wanted a guarantee that these assassination raids would stop. And it asked for more. With hundreds of thousands of Palestinians facing acute malnutrition, Hamas insists that the borders be opened so that food can arrive unimpeded. And in return for the captured Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit, it asks for the release of 1,000 Palestinians imprisoned in Israel.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gaza; giveusmorelsd; hamas; hamascharter; hashishcrowd; idf; islam; israel; itstrippinman; jewsfora2ndholocaust; jihad; liberalism; megabarf; mentalillness; michaellerner; operationcastlead; oslo; patbuchanan; patbuchananhatesjews; patrickbuchanan; pitchforkpat; religiousleft; sundaytimes; tikkun; westerncivilization
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-88 next last
To: Anti-Bubba182

Michael Lerner bio bookmark.

Thanks.


61 posted on 01/04/2009 5:45:04 PM PST by Tainan (Yeah, its confusing. But what else is there to do?...Merry Christmas!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Michael Lerner is a leftist lunatic. He is a pro-Palastinian propagandist. How can people talk about proportionality of response when Hamas has never stopped sending missles into Israel trying to kill as many Israelis as possible. They make no distinction between women and children. Their targets are civilians.

Now Israel has been forced to try to eliminate Hamas as a threat. It remains to be seen whether they will be successful, but this garbage about Palastinian civilians is intolerable. There is no way to seperate Hamas terrorists from so called civilians. Everybody knows that.

These creeps in the media know it. Even the so called fair and balanced Fox News is hammering that theme. Israel is on its own now. The United States has been telling them for decades not to respond too strenuously when they engage Hamas. What we have is a world full of hypocrites who really just wish that Israel cease to exist.

It would make perfect sense to me if Israel finally said that they are doomed as a nation over the long run and all stops are removed. They should use any means necessary to destroy those Muslim monsters who want them dead. If they are doomed anyway why not go out with a bang?

As far as the repercussions for the Middle East and even for America, that will not be their problem.


62 posted on 01/04/2009 5:46:11 PM PST by SkipW
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182

Michael Lerner is the Jewish Rabbi that was banned by the organizers of the anti-war demonstrations in SF, prior to(or during)the Iraq war for being Jewish.


63 posted on 01/04/2009 5:48:29 PM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Killing 500 Palestinians and wounding 2,000 others (at the time of writing) is disproportionate.

The entire concept of proportional response in war is a sick and perverted doctrine of sado-masochists and enemy propagandists. It only ensures that a conflict is never ending.

So which is Michael Lerner?

64 posted on 01/04/2009 5:51:41 PM PST by TigersEye (I threw my shoe at Mohammed and hit Allah in the butt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Killing 500 Palestinians and wounding 2,000 others (at the time of writing) is disproportionate.

Gotta agree here. Israel should kill them all

65 posted on 01/04/2009 6:02:08 PM PST by Graybeard58
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Stepan12
Proportionate response means using enough force to end the problem agression before you

Given that

(1) Islam dictates that Jihad continue as long as any land that was once Muslim is under the control of non-Muslims, and that

(2) the Arab aid-providers that finance Hamas will only continue funding Hamas as long as Hamas behaves according to Islam,

the aggression will continue until the Gazans are all dead or they abandon Islam.
66 posted on 01/04/2009 6:06:38 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
Michael Lerner's insane scribblings on Israel and Operation Cast Lead!

Terrorism is by definition, asymmetric.

67 posted on 01/04/2009 6:06:39 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Yes, Lerner is a moron.

But worse, Lerner is dishonest. Lerner is certainly aware that Israel has been tipping off the Palestinian civilians about impending strikes, and he is also aware that the Hamas terrorists quite deliberately use civilian women and children as shields for themselves and their armaments, and those shields then serve double duty as propaganda fodder after they are killed. ...Just the way Hamas has planned it.

The Israelis have rightly decided to tell the Euro-socialists and American liberals (like Lerner) to drop dead because Israel is finally going to do what must be done - - eradicate the terrorist threat, relentlessly, mercilessly, and thoroughly. To do anything less would be stupid.


68 posted on 01/04/2009 6:18:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
"Killing 500 Palestinians and wounding 2,000 others (at the time of writing) is disproportionate. Hamas can harass, but it cannot pose any threat to the existence of Israel."

Since Israel has sent warnings to these folks before they bomb, there shouldn't have been ANY people killed. Hamas leaders are willing to keep people in places they know will be attacked, because they WANT those bloodied bodies to show on TV.

And yes, Hamas CAN do harm to Israel, by trying to manipulate media coverage to THEIR cause, and against Israel, which only encourages more attacks by crazed Muslims.

69 posted on 01/04/2009 6:21:58 PM PST by SuziQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
The most significant contribution the new Obama administration could make to Middle East peace would be to embrace a strategy that homeland security is best achieved not by military or economic domination but by generosity and caring for others.

Hold onto your wallet! Here comes Zero and Lerner and all the rest of the socialist scumbags to steal whatever they can get their filthy paws on.

70 posted on 01/04/2009 6:34:13 PM PST by Lancey Howard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SonOfDarkSkies

We can love our enemies and still see them as our enemies, and still fight them, even kill them if it is called for. Nothing in the Bible against that.


71 posted on 01/04/2009 6:39:42 PM PST by chesley (A pox on both their houses. I've voted for my last RINO.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Anti-Bubba182

“progressive Jewish”=anti-semitic!


72 posted on 01/04/2009 7:01:26 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: chesley

I am with you!


73 posted on 01/04/2009 7:11:01 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Death to Hamas!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: pillut48

This one is more leftist than Jew.


74 posted on 01/04/2009 7:12:29 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: Islander7

melt those puppies down into new weapons for the IDF. Way to go.


75 posted on 01/04/2009 7:44:24 PM PST by redhead ("I got so used to enjoying my freedom that I forgot how to defend it." --Dutch correspondent)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

A proportionate war is a perpetual war.

Everyone that considers starting a conflict should be very concerned about disproportionate responses.


76 posted on 01/04/2009 7:46:09 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
.


77 posted on 01/04/2009 10:27:40 PM PST by XR7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SonOfDarkSkies

The enemies of Israel, the U.S., the UK and Canada invent these lexicons politically correct sounding terms so that they can have them available to sound highminded in their sigle-minded plans to destroy the West. Most people think the lexicons must be just; they’re past of the propaganda machine of Marxism.


78 posted on 01/04/2009 10:59:57 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Michael Lerner remains an arrogant fool. It is obscene that the word “rabbi” has ever been associated with this piece of work.


79 posted on 01/04/2009 11:08:30 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

Anyone claiming ‘measured’ response hasn’t a clue how to fight a war.

They come at you with fists, you bring a club.
They pull a knife, you pull a gun.

The only correct response is one where the enemy never wants to mess with you again.

JB


80 posted on 01/05/2009 4:52:35 AM PST by thatjoeguy (Just my thoughts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-88 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson