U.S. to abandon Israel

ISRAPUNDIT ^ | Dec 31/08 | Ted Belman

[tedbel]

U.S. Intelligence Official about Israel: "This is just the beginning".

U.S. Intelligence official "breaks silence" on Israel situation"

Homeland Security

31 December 2008: Northeast Intelligence Network director Doug Hagmann interviewed a highly-placed U.S. intelligence official late yesterday who not only confirmed rumors about escalated and more intensive Israeli military operations against the Muslim terrorists in Gaza, [but] warned of the increasing probability of abandonment of Israel by the U.S. and other Western countries based on what he termed "malicious intelligence."

"Remember that term," advised this well-placed intelligence official, "you'll be hearing it again."

"This is just the beginning," stated this intelligence official, who wished to remain anonymous. This official stated that the possibility for a much more protracted ground war is more likely today than at any other time in the past, adding that Israel is exercising her right to protect herself from her enemies in Gaza. But there is a catch, noted this official, and a big one at that: Israel could be about to lose the support of the United States.

"I have every reason to believe, based on what I've seen at my level of [security] clearance especially over the last several years, that Israel will soon be completely on their own… or worse."

When asked what could be worse than losing the support of the United States, he stated:

"when our administration provides more support to Arab countries [with] financial and military aid, undercutting Israel's defense efforts all while pushing Israel to succumb to the pressure of unreasonable demands designed to end with their political annihilation as a nation."

[familyop]

"Pinkbell wrote:
"But but but...the majority of Jews voted for Obama."

YHAOS replied:
"Ironic, isn't it."

Not really.

Bush on Israel: Heartburn for All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844641/posts

President Abbas asks Congress help to release PNA funds withheld by Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844647/posts

Bush releases money to Abbas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844646/posts

Rice: Better to have Hamas in power than in streets
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1733397/posts

Rice: Palestinians deserve to live free of ‘occupation’[at an event of pro-Palestinian group]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717847/posts

US Supplies Fatah With Arms, Rice Decries “Occupation”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718348/posts

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts

Disciples of Christ to Israel: Drop dead
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/1458942/posts

U.S. Presbyterians target five firms with Israel links
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458765/posts

The Church Stares Into the Abyss (The dhimmitude of the Church of England)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435084/posts

(Anti-Semitic) Anglican group urges Israel sanctions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430566/posts

Anglicans Call for Sanction on Investment in Israel to Uphold Justice
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430772/posts

THE VATICAN AND THE STANDOFF AT THE CHURCH OF THE NATIVITY
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp515.htm

Two United Methodist gatherings urge selective divestment from Israel (official anti-Israel United Methodist Website)
http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.886089/k.A105/Two_United_Methodist_gatherings_urge_selective_divestment_from_Israel.htm

world council of churches (WCC)
church & ecumenical relations
http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/ecumenical/index-e.html
"Among those churches which are not members of the WCC, the most notable is the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Since 1965 a Joint Working Group (JWG), co-sponsored by the WCC and the RCC, has met regularly to discuss issues of common interest and promote cooperation. The group meets annually. One of the church and ecumenical relations staff members serves as co-secretary for the JWG and helps to coordinate contact between the Council and the dicasteries of the Vatican through the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. [And] . . . Though the Roman Catholic Church is not a member of the WCC, it is a full member of the Faith & Order Commission. The RCC also serves the team on Mission & Evangelism in a consultative capacity."

President Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
The Rose Garden
June 24, 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020624-3.html
"The United States, the international donor community and the World Bank stand ready to work with Palestinians on a major project of economic reform and development. The United States, the EU, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund are willing to oversee reforms in Palestinian finances, encouraging transparency and independent auditing."

Quartet Joint Statement
Summary
July 16, 2002: Text of a joint statement issued by the "Quartet" (United Nations, Russian Federation, the United States and the European Union) following their meeting in New York
[Document behind the link.]
http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/sk/article_1489_sk.htm
"The new international Task Force on Reform, which is comprised of representatives of the U.S., EU, UN Secretary General, Russia, Japan, Norway, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, and which works under the auspices of the Quartet, will strive to develop and implement a comprehensive action plan for reform."

...little more background material:

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts
February 1, 2005

Bush and Sharon disagree over Israel's future
Wednesday June 27, 2001
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,513410,00.html

Sharon presses Putin to drop UN resolution on road map
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013908/posts
4 November 2003

Commencement Address at Boston College (Secretary Condoleezza Rice, Boston, Massachusetts, May 22, 2006. US Department of State)

Excerpts:

As a student of a Catholic high school, the Sisters of Loretta taught me, I am pleased to be at an institution of higher education with such strong and celebrated Catholic and Jesuit traditions . . . You see, I got my Master's Degree at Notre Dame. (Boos.) I acquired a passion for the fighting Irish . . . and my family has been college educated and Presbyterian ever since. (Laughter and applause.) . . . I wandered into a course on international politics taught by a Czech refugee who specialized in Soviet studies, a man who had a daughter by the name of Madeleine Albright. With that one class, I was hooked. I discovered that my passion was Russia and all things Russian.

[ClearCase_guy]

People are just worried because Obama has clearly stated in one of his autobiographies that if things got ugly he would stand with the Muslims. And then Joe Biden said that early in Obama's administration things would get get bad (we'd be "tested") and Obama's reaction would be surprising and seem wrong.

Obama has no military experience, no executive experience. He has a history of voting "present" when faced with a tough decision.

I'm no soothsayer, so I don't know what Obama would do -- but there are certainly grounds to think that Obama might abandon Israel if there is a major war in that area. To him, it might seem like a politically safe course of action (I say that because I think Obama is a coward and also not very bright).

[the invisib1e hand]

As Benjamin Netanyahu has said, Britain in WWII is an analogy. And one thing that can be learned from that analogy is, every intelligence leak is intentional and purposeful.

[cowdog77]

“It’s not called the Rapture but it’s there.”
______________________________

Or perhaps it’s not, and we’ve now entered the Tribulation Period to all appearances. We’ll know for certain soon.

[the invisib1e hand]

there’s just not enough tinfoil in the world...

[Fishrrman]

Interesting how some here swear the United States will never “abandon” Israel.

That was _then_, pre-Obama.

This is now:

“The Devil’s Bargain”
by Arthur Herman:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12302008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/devils_bargain_146440.htm

Excerpt:

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” Imagine if, in the summer of 1941, Adolf Hitler had approached Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt with this deal: I will cease hostilities and leave the British Empire alone, if you leave me alone to finish my extermination of the Jews. Expect Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to offer a similar deal to Barack Obama come January.

“Officially, the offer will be Iranian cooperation with the West in Iran’s nuclear program, possibly including United Nations inspections - if the United States reverses course on its support for Israel, including its actions against Hamas in Gaza.

“Iran expert Ze’ev Maghen of Bar-Ilan University thinks this may be what top Iranian officials are preparing to offer the West in a kind of crude devil’s bargain. In short, Iran’s price for getting along with America, “the Great Satan,” will be our acquiescence in the destruction of “the Little Satan,” Israel.”

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This could never happen, right?
Not a chance, right?
Not even with a pro-Muslim president of Islamic origins and upbringing, right?
Right?

- John

[ArmyTeach]

Abandon Israel? What could you possibly mean by that?

[pallis]

If the USSA betrays Israel like the rest of Western civilization has, it will be a hot time in Iran. Boombaboombaboom!

[familyop]

Heh...tinfoil’s for anti-Israel, pagan movie stars, IMO. ...all in good fun and humor, of course. ;-)

[Salvation]

**U.S. to abandon Israel**

Won’t happen.

[Buddy B]

BS

[VNam68]

ping

[gitmo]

Parousia. Is that better?

[YHAOS]

"Not really."

Your point? (In 100 words or less). { 8^)

[exit82]

Sorry, no one can know with absolute certainty what Daniel is referring to. Even Daniel did not understand all that he had seen, and he said so. There were things Daniel saw that he was commanded to not reveal.

Even the source you linked was weak in its arguments about Chapter 7.

And the linkage we were discussing was Rev. 12 and Daniel 2, not Daniel 2 and 8 and Rev 13, then with 7, a sequence which your source discusses at length.

I’m well familiar with various end times theories and views.

But it is abundantly clear that God gives us enough information, so that when we are in the events being described, we will recognize them. Not one jot or tittle will be overlooked or dispensed with.

But as for knowing all of the eschatological details, there is room for interpretation.

In the end, it will unfold as God has foretold, whether we understand all of the symbolism or not.

[thecabal]

I wouldn’t put much stock in anything coming out of Hagmann or NEIN.

[plain talk]

Interpretation of Revelations is pretty deep and hardly anything for novices to talk or worry about. Plenty else in the Bible to focus on.

[streetpreacher]

Are you an Islamist?

[katykelly]

I wasn’t proud when we bombed the Serbs.

[Polarik]

What was the term for Jews that helped the Nazis in WWII?

Atheists.