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Chasm dividing Americans over birth certificate widens
WND ^ | November 28, 2008

Posted on 11/28/2008 9:00:33 PM PST by ckilmer

The chasm between those who want President-elect Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate to verify his eligibility to hold the nation's highest office and those who simply support the Democrat is widening.

"The Constitution means what we today decide it means," opined one participant on a new WND forum that offers readers an opportunity to express their opinion on the birth certificate dispute.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


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To: Strategerist; Doofer

Ok. So where do we go from here?

If you’re up to speed on the depth of Obama’s treason, then you bear responsibility to do something about it.

What’s it gonna be?


81 posted on 11/28/2008 10:48:47 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: blackbart.223; All

Actually, blackbart.223, I have to give you credit. Without your input I never would have known how many folks won’t give up the fight.

I was a little concerned after reading so many posts on other subjects that reflected defeatist attitudes. But thanks to you I know I am not alone in the fight to preserve our Constitutional Republic.

I am no spring chicken either and am not so concerned for my own welfare, but I am concerned for the welfare of my children and grandchildren. For them I will never ‘give up’. Although the road to victory may be difficult, nothing is impossible.

Again, I thank you for your posts for you have renewed my faith in those that are members of ‘Free Republic’. Your words are a great example of a seeming negative turned in to a positive.

For those of you that got upset at blackbart.223, lighten up a little. blackbart.223 has brought us together and together we will win!!


82 posted on 11/28/2008 10:53:06 PM PST by USAF70 (I'm a bitter clinger)
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To: SatinDoll

This is the good that could come out of this, regardless what ends up being the facts re Obama. If the Supreme Court will just clear up this area of the law, that would be very helpful.

The Supremes also would do well to “suggest” that Congress create some kind of enforcement mechanism for the “natural born citizen” qualification.

Right now everyone is saying “it’s not my job” to figure out if X is eligible to be President.


83 posted on 11/28/2008 10:53:15 PM PST by fightinJAG (TWO BIG BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE AT THE END OF 2008. Happy New Year, love, President Obama)
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To: Ronin
As much as I despise Obama, I have to admire his audacity. He knows, has known for years that he his not eligible for the Presidency, but has gambled everything that he can hold people off until he actually takes office, at which time the “natural born” requirement becomes a dead letter.

Do you really believe that's going to fly with over half of the American people? Do you honestly believe that we're simply going to throw up our hands and give up without a fight?

"Dead letter", my butt.

84 posted on 11/28/2008 10:53:52 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

All we can do is try to get these issues that call his legitimacy into question so that when the time comes there will be more people who will stand up, even if passively.

Personally, I think it will come to violence as the left feels they have the advantage and when they see power slipping from their grasp they will react as they have for the last 8 years. The difference is that this time they will have the power of the state behind them.

Waco, Texas, Elian Gonzales, and more will be repeated and much worse.

I hope it never happens but I just don’t see an easy way out.


85 posted on 11/28/2008 10:54:00 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: ckilmer

I would suggest taking this whole issue to a brand new level...

If everyone (or at least a large number of folks) were to refuse to show their Birth Certificate for anything which currently requires the showing of said article, would simply refuse. And when they are denied the service they are requesting, file a lawsuit in federal court for violation of your rights. After all, if Obama doesn’t have to show HIS birth certificate (real one) to verify that he is really a NATURAL BORN US Citizen as the Constitution requires - then why should you have to show yours for admission to college, for your first driver’s license, or any other reason?


86 posted on 11/28/2008 10:54:05 PM PST by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: Windflier; blackbart.223

Leave the guy alone—for all our sakes.

He expressed his opinion. It got under your skin for some inscrutable reason.

Now it’s your constant haranging that is weighing down the thread.

Please. Post on something besides the fact that you don’t like the tone of someone else’s posts.


87 posted on 11/28/2008 10:56:58 PM PST by fightinJAG (TWO BIG BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE AT THE END OF 2008. Happy New Year, love, President Obama)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Bambam is bound to mess up someplace. A slip up will happen. Most of the time it's something so tiny that it was overlooked, or it hasn't had the chance to surface yet.

Haven't visited the birth certificate threads much, have you?

Obama has screwed up irretrievably with his obvious forgeries of government documents. He's toast. Either now, or later, but he's toast.

88 posted on 11/28/2008 10:57:02 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: blackbart.223
Thanks for watching my back.

You thank someone for helping you toward the grave? That's pathetic.

89 posted on 11/28/2008 10:58:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Your "freedom to be stupid" remark reminded me somehow of Wierd Al Yankovich.

Humor break:

DARE TO BE STUPID

90 posted on 11/28/2008 10:59:39 PM PST by fightinJAG (TWO BIG BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE AT THE END OF 2008. Happy New Year, love, President Obama)
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To: Windflier

To anger a liberal, tell him the truth!


91 posted on 11/28/2008 11:00:38 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: USAF70
I don't know how to respond to this other than to say thank you. Somtimes my comments are misunderstood. Thank you for getting them.

Bart.

92 posted on 11/28/2008 11:01:05 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Sharrukin
Dismissing Obama as a lightweight or his idiot looking supporters as pushovers is an easy way to get sucker-punched when things go south.

Sure, there's some ridicule of Obama supporters here, but I've rarely seen any Freeper misjudge their capacity for mindless violence and obedience to The Hive.

If anything, I think you've misjudged the average conservative, who understands history, believes in our Constitution, and who is, on average, prepared to protect and defend his God given liberties with deadly force, if necessary.

93 posted on 11/28/2008 11:04:45 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
"You thank someone for helping you toward the grave? That's pathetic."

When someone watches your back it can keep you out of the grave. But I don't expect you to understand that.

94 posted on 11/28/2008 11:07:04 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: omniscient

I disagree.

This doesn’t need “traction.” It is purely a constitutional/legal issue at this point.

I do trust that the SCOTUS would at least grant cert. on this issue if a case comes to them that meets their standard for granting cert.

It’s a high standard to get a case heard at the SCOTUS and, especially, they know that no matter what they do, they will be accused of overreaching, politicizing the Cout and so on.

Jawboning by smart, but not expert radio talk show hosts-—on a case that is convoluted in both law and facts-—not only is not “necessary,” but not in the least helpful.

(And the last thing Limbaugh, Hannity et al. would be cowed by is the prospect of the Fairness Doctrine. Are you kidding? If the Rats do try that, those guys and their listeners will be shouting from the stratosphere.)


95 posted on 11/28/2008 11:07:34 PM PST by fightinJAG (TWO BIG BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE AT THE END OF 2008. Happy New Year, love, President Obama)
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To: Windflier

I hope so, as I believe it will come to that, and what people may be asked to do isn’t an easy thing.


96 posted on 11/28/2008 11:07:35 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: blackbart.223
Jesus! I've never been anywere else. Pay closer attention. It would suit you better.

Well then, knock off the morale-busting tirade. It's not helping. State your willingness to stand and fight. That'll help.

97 posted on 11/28/2008 11:08:10 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: blackbart.223

What Republic? This is nothing mor than a socialist democracy at this point.


98 posted on 11/28/2008 11:08:36 PM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: Windflier
"Well then, knock off the morale-busting tirade. It's not helping. State your willingness to stand and fight. That'll help."

If facing the truth busts your morale then stay five steps away from me. Better yet ten.

99 posted on 11/28/2008 11:11:59 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: screaminsunshine
"What Republic? "

It is still a republic. Just a little off course at this point. Well maybe a lot off course.

100 posted on 11/28/2008 11:14:14 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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