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I need some positive reasons why not to plan for a SHTF scenario.

Posted on 11/16/2008 3:15:11 PM PST by rfmad

I am seriously thinking of taking to steps to go to a survivalist approach planning to survuve total chaos and financial and institutional break down. Some one please help me see why this is not going to happen. Thanks


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KEYWORDS: emergencyprep; preparedness; shtf; survival; survivalism; thecomingdarkness; tshtf; wtshtf
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To: dusttoyou

It is comparable to the Chavez mellow-drama at the United Nations last year, where he came on after President Bush and complained that he smelled sulfur at the podium!!!!! For the someone claiming to bring change, you are most definitely correct that he is stocking the inner most of his circle of the White House with CLINTON RETREADS!!!!!! Hee-Hee!!!!!! The drama of it all, reminds me the Telemundo-Novelas-(Soap Operas)./Just Asking - seoul62.....


341 posted on 11/17/2008 3:59:57 PM PST by seoul62
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To: rfmad

mark


342 posted on 11/17/2008 4:03:21 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: rfmad; Titan Magroyne
Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

"The man who predicted the 1987 stock market crash and the fall of the Soviet Union is now forecasting revolution in America, food riots and tax rebellions - all within four years ..."
343 posted on 11/17/2008 4:37:03 PM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: US_MilitaryRules
How will communication take place to know the obummer thugs will be roaming the neighborhoods?

You'll hear the gunfire getting closer.

344 posted on 11/17/2008 4:45:48 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Tammy8

I didn’t run to the hills for Y2K and I’m not going to do it now :)


345 posted on 11/17/2008 4:49:45 PM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: steadfastconservative

That’s a very bad analogy. Y2K was completely predictable. I and probably tens of thousands of computer technicians like me, spent almost two years loading bios fixes, flashing eprom and taking other measures that assured that our infrastructure wouldn’t fail.

If someone now says I have less time to prepare for something totally unpredictable and uncontrollable like terrorist attacks, financial system meltdown, food shortages, natural disaster, riots, extended power failure, massive crime, no water or just roving gangs of MZBs (mutant zombie bikers), I think of the “Ounce of prevention” parable. The only way to fix it ahead of time as we did with Y2K would be to take pre-emptive action just like Y2K. That however is impossible if the wolves are already at the door. It’s time to hoard survival supplies and lock & load. Gold and guns will be everywhere when/if the worst comes. Food, water, amunition, fuel & medicines will be the new currency.


346 posted on 11/17/2008 5:18:42 PM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: dusttoyou
hitlery is Prez by default, hitlery and slick find a loophole in Constitution and TAKE OVER.. Looks pretty scary to me. Hey does anyone have any spare tinfoil?

Tinfoil??? Is that the way you like your crow served? ; ) Hey... fyi... I prefer Hillary over Obama... at least she was born here. Clinton would be funny... Obama is just too damb scary.
347 posted on 11/17/2008 5:32:27 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: jonesat
Gold, Lead, and Scotch, a sound investment strategy.

*Food*, *jacketed* Lead, and *single malt* Scotch, to clarify. With jacketed lead, you can acquire all the gold you'd ever want, if you'd want such a thing. Food has no substitute. Single malt Scotch is why God gave us peat and water and Scotsmen to combine them in the correct manner.



348 posted on 11/17/2008 5:45:22 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: Drumbo

I’m in bad shape, right now in the house I have a couple of bandaids and some aspirin that’s probably past the expiration date, half a carton of milk, 3 microwave meals, 2 flashlights, maybe extra batteries somewhere (probably also past the expiration date), about $15 cash, and a can of pepper spray. I don’t even have a radio, TV or cell phone. All this survival stuff is such a guy thing, I’m not practical, if I bought a gun I’d probably accidentally shoot the cat the first day. The only solution I can see here for personal security is to get married.


349 posted on 11/17/2008 11:58:12 PM PST by baa39 (www.FightFOCA.com - innocent lives depend on you)
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To: Drumbo

Oh. Now THAT’s bleak.


350 posted on 11/18/2008 1:42:18 AM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Drill now drill hard drill often and give old Gaia a cigarette afterwards she deserves it." HerrBlu)
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To: baa39
Getting married won't solve your problem if you hitch up to the wrong man. You might find yourself protecting him. If that happens, I hope you find one you can outrun so he will be attacked first and you would have a possibility of escape. ;0)
351 posted on 11/18/2008 4:44:31 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Drumbo

I think it was a good analogy and, quite frankly, there was a greater likelihood that the infrastructure would fail for Y2K than that it will fail now. The big danger posed by Obama’s election is not the possibility of widespread violence (which is pretty remote) but that this country will become more socialist, that there will be steady erosion of individual freedoms accompanied by an increase in government power.

I knew someone thirty-five years ago, who hoarded survival supplies because he thought that this country was on the verge of some sort of breakdown because it had become so liberal. Of course, the breakdown in public order has never happened. And the only people who think that it will happen are the ones on the kook fringe.


352 posted on 11/18/2008 5:01:01 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: rfmad

I am looking to buy an abandoned coal mine with surface entrance in the Kentucky, Tenn., West Va., Western PA, area. I have everything else a survivalist would want or need. Just looking for a secure location with fuel on site. Anyone know of one, send me a message.


353 posted on 11/18/2008 5:09:26 AM PST by anton
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To: RightWhale

I taught myself how to can meat and chicken in case our electricity goes out. It is really easy,you have to pressure can it though. I wait until boneIess, skinless chicken goes on sale and I buy all that I can afford to and can it. It is real good for soup, dumplings and other recipes that call for cooked chicken. I also canned some in 4 oz. jars to put in my husband’s lunch box to get him off of the bologna.


354 posted on 11/18/2008 1:09:28 PM PST by NellieMae (Here...... common sense,common sense,common sense,where'd ya go... common sense......)
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To: steadfastconservative
...Why would anyone think that the election of Barack Obama would lead to a complete breakdown of social order? ...

It's not the election, it's the economy.

Most of us in hurricane country and our brethren in earthquake/firestorm country already keep a "bug out" kit and other supplies for emergencies.

Doesn't hurt to set aside stuff in the event you get laid-off either. Job situation being what it is you might not get decent work for months or longer.

If I remember when I get off work and can find the link, I'll post a fascinating link to an Argentine blogger that lived though severe economic times down there. Fascinating article. Short version: stock up on food.

355 posted on 11/18/2008 1:21:01 PM PST by FReepaholic (Diversity = .45 .357 .223 .38 ...)
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To: tiki; Terry Mross

Upon request, your doc will write you a 90-day prescription for most meds.

But yeah, a long-term hunker-down requires more creativity or, as someone else mentioned, meds from a vet. I’ve experienced the reverse, when road conditions required asking my vet to phone in my dog’s anti-seizure scrip to a nearby pharmacy.


356 posted on 11/18/2008 2:27:59 PM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Drill now drill hard drill often and give old Gaia a cigarette afterwards she deserves it." HerrBlu)
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To: Terry Mross
We can’t make a living in Podunk, Arkansas. If we could we’d all move there and it, too, would become a big city.

That's right, that's absolutely right!. You do NOT want to live here! We're just a bunch of neaderthals, that don't wear shoes and go to family reunions to try and pick up dates! We still use outhouses and go to the crick every Saturday afternoon for our weekly bath whether we need one or not. The LAST thing you want to do is move to Arkansas. It's an intellectual's HELL! Move to Florida, instead. They still have plenty of room for ya'll....................(makes for more land and resources for me and mine when the SHTF!) ;-)

357 posted on 11/18/2008 2:46:53 PM PST by OB1kNOb (I for one will NOT welcome our new Marxist overlords.)
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To: OB1kNOb

Was born and raised in Arkansas. I could have said Podunk, Texas. The point being in any small town it’s difficult to make a living. Where I grew up if you’re father didn’t own 3,000 acres of farm land you knew you were leaving town for the big city if you were to have a half decent life. I’d move back to the town of my childhood in a New York minute if there was a job for me where I made enough to pay my bills.

And, I’m right when I say if we could make a decent living in the small towns they’d turn into big cities rather quickly.


358 posted on 11/18/2008 2:57:45 PM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: OB1kNOb

Back in the early 70’s people who could afford it started leaving the Arkansas Delta and literally heading for the hills. It wasn’t because of fear of unrest, it was KNOWING what would become of their little “Mayberry” once they became the minority. And, sadly, they were right. Those little towns in the Delta, like the one where I grew up, have become ghettos. Looking back it was like living next door to Opie and the Beaver. Now it’s like living in a third world country.


359 posted on 11/18/2008 3:04:32 PM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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To: Safrguns
What crow Dude? If you like hitlery so much you shoulda voted for her.... oh Lordy you didn't did you? My thought is that either nobama or hitlery would definitely work against our freedoms and America as we know it and as the Founding Fathers intended. I am happy as a lark to have those two fight it out on whatever stage or back-stage they want, was pointing out the obvious naivete nobama was demonstrating by pulling in so many klintonistas on “his” team. Hoping the worst for both of them.
360 posted on 11/18/2008 3:24:12 PM PST by dusttoyou (First they steal our savings, then our liberty)
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