Posted on 11/09/2008 6:02:51 PM PST by mathwhizz
The demographics are frankly killing us.
Kerry won the latino vote 53%-44% four years ago. Obama won the latino vote 67%-31%.
Obama won the latino vote in Florida for the first time ever.
Obama vastly increased his share of the latino vote in Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada. If McCain wasn't on the ticket, Arizona would have been very competitive as well.
And we probably got another decade before Texas becomes a purple state unless we reverse the trends here.
Bush won Texas by 23% with Kerry getting 50% of the latino vote. McCain won it by 11% with Obama getting 63% of the latino vote.
It's a problem. What's the solution?
First off, we’re moving back to Texas before long.
The solution is no amnesty and stick to a conservative message.
The freeloaders will always vote Dem. And we don’t win by pandering. Only by staying conservative and letting the smart voters - of any race - know where we stand.
With an amnesty, however, it’s all over.
Cut welfare, see that they share in the tax burden so they suffer the consequences of liberalism along with the rest of us.
Like that’s gonna happen.
And one of the reasons McCain lost was his failure to grasp how angry bona fide US citizens are with illegal immigration.
It was a hot topic, there for the taking but our candidate took the opposite viewpoint. It’s an issue that won’t go away, even my liberal friends are fed up with it.
Become a socialist and open the borders, they will come if you build that coalition of RINS, traitors and moonbats.
Well, it was the first time he ran in Florida...
I think he means it’s the first time a Democrat presidential candidate won the latino vote in Florida.
Sounds like socialism and banana republics are going to find a new expression in the USA.
I keep hearing people say things like “Hispanics have as much potential for conservatism as they do for liberalism”, but I have never seen anything to back that up.
Cubans I could see. I have known a few Cubans, and the ones I know absolutely could be conservatives (a few are) and they are older Cubans.
But other hispanics? The numbers indicate they prefer a socialistic welfare state. I think pandering the conservative message is a mistake no matter what, but pandering to hispanics is even worse, IMO.
Hispanics aren’t uniform. Those in Florida are Cubans and then the wealthy from Central and South America. Texas is home to some migrants from Mexico, but many of the Texas Hispanics have lived there since the Alamo. California’s Hispanics tend to be from the poorer parts of Mexico and other countries.
It’s been pointed out and I’m becoming a believer that there are large segments of the population that don’t know what a ‘conservative message’ is....more specifically, its more important then ever to educate why conservative principles are important.
The younger generation is programmed by democrats who run all the media outlets. This is true for many other slices of the population who are being conditioned to the ‘liberal principles’.
It’s not good enough to say, “if you’re for lower taxes, then you’re a conservative” The populace has been programmed to think they need higher taxes for more programs so this will not resonate with them.
First off, this proves that pandering to Latinos by offering amnesty is a loser. McCain and other Republican moderates have been telling us that we need to give amnesty to illegals to win over the Latino vote. McCain got lowest percentage since Bob Dole.
We win over Latinos by emphasizing traditional values and conservative economic values that emphasize entrepreneurship and hard work. Latinos are economic immigrants by and large, and they tend to be more socially conservative, so that seems to me like a good way to win them over.
FWIW, 1400 Latino babies die each day due to abortion.
Latinos should be conservatives. For the most part they are hardworking, believing Christians, oppose abortion and reject the morals of Hollywood. Also, They have babies and will pass these convictions on to at least the next two generations. We are way behind on this. Instead of appearing, or being made to appear xenophobic, we need to embrace legal Latino immigration and assimilation.
We respect the rule of law. Therefore, we rightly view illegal immigration as a threat. However, our opposition to illegal immigration has been spun to appear as if we are anti Latino. Turning this around will take us out of our comfort zone. Failure to do so will be our demise.
“And one of the reasons McCain lost was his failure to grasp how angry bona fide US citizens are with illegal immigration.”
Proof of your statement would be Tancredo’s primary success?
I’ve been warning about this for a while. Failure to do something about the immigration program is horribly hurting our long-term prospects.
Millions of these people have produced offspring now and that segment of the population has kids at a fantastic rate. Those kids are now in school. Just go to a local kindergarten around me. A very good percentage of those kids are latino. Those children of illegals are citizens. They will be eligible to vote in a few cycles. They won’t vote Republican either. And there is nothing we can do about them because they are citizens.
Failing to address this years ago will be costing us in elections going forward. It will make winning an election on a conservative platform extremely hard.
Let’s face it, the Republican Party is probably doomed for not addressing this issue seriously in ‘86. We are now wrongly considered anti-immigrant and hate mongers for believing in the rule of law.
“our opposition to illegal immigration has been spun to appear as if we are anti Latino.”
Sorry but I think it goes much further than that. Most legal Hispanics respect the laws that prevent illegals from entering.
The truth is that there are many conservatives that are truly anti-Latino. Here at FR, there are many that always equate Hispanics with illegals, or believe that Hispanics vote Democrat because they are looking for handouts. Honestly, it can be very offensive, and I completely understand why it is presumed that Hispanics are not welcome.
Opposition to illegal immigration is fine, but you are right about embracing legal immigration. Assuming that we (legal Hispanics) are all La Raza members that hope to reclaim the US for Mexico, or that we are “browning” America, or that we are not Real Americans, is the best way to ensure that Dems remain in power for a long, long time.
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