Dubya seceeded by Aitch! What is the new Grass Roots movement?

Self | 11/04/2008 | Self

[An American!]

8 years ago our beloved W (Dubya) was elected and now we have an H (Aitch).
I am in total shock that our United States elected someone we know next to nothing about. With so many unanswered questions why did it not matter to almost 55% of Americans? I am in shock that Murtha was re-elected. I am in shock that the polls were right.

Now is the time to not over-react, but to begin laying a foundation for a future victory. What issues are good ones for a grass roots movement? Abortion? Faith? Flat Tax? Property rights?

It is obvious that the youth are willing to vote. It is obvious that whatever movement, it cannot be limited to rural areas, but must gain momentum in population areas.
I am in shock and numb, but somewhere out there is the seeds to a new start.

[TypeZoNegative]

A pattern I’ve picked up is that the Dems always try to win voters with quick non sequiturs. The way we must win subsequent elections isn’t to counter them with paragraphs, but rather, something to the effect of a confused sounding “Huh?” or a patronizing sounding “Hmmm”.

This man’s been trained by black religious preachers. Most black religious preachers, from seeing them day in and day out, are verbose idiots. Their audience isn’t smart enough to figure out a paragraph or a valid argument.

I know. I’ve debated the bible with them to the point where even though I’d show them that they were wrong in interpreting scripture, they’d “win” an audience that overheard our debate with their fiery speech. However, I usually won the audience in those debates by either asking them to explain their arguments, and when they usually sound illogical, just say to them “Hmmm, interesting theory” in a patronizing manner. The audience around us actually would think about what the guy said and realize that he’s a crackpot.

To “win” our audience back, we have to find a patronizing “hmmm, interesting theory” moment once he starts sounding like the preacher he is.

[freekitty]

You do have a point; however, it was never going to work with Ross Perot because it wasn’t suppose to work with Ross Perot.

This time whoever the powers that be really are didn’t care if we had a Ross Perot in the running. They needed to get rid of America as America is. Believe me a man like Obama could never have won without help from unknown sources.

It’s One World Government.

[Ingtar]

Just look at his pathetic approval rating.

You mean nearly 3 times higher than the re-elected Pelosi's? For that matter, Obama and McCain fall into the 7% crowd also. The Republican Party has lost its way. I'm no longer sure which is the more monumental task: Turning this off-course beast with all its momentum, or creating a new party from scratch. Tonight is not the night to think about it for me.

[Tired of Taxes]

Here are some of the issues I wish the GOP had focused on this year:

(1) Supreme Court Justices & Property Rights - Obama criticized Thomas and Scalia, yet they were two of the only justices to dissent in the Kelo decision. Anyone remember that case? Both conservatives AND liberals were screaming about it. Why the GOP campaign didn’t hammer on it in this campaign, I’ll never understand.

(2) Libertarian views - I live in a blue state and grew up in PA, where my family still lives. Mostly everyone I’ve ever met has a libertarian streak, somewhere, somehow. The GOP needs to point out how the Dems intrude on your privacy and limit your choices, thus interfering with your decision-making in your own life and for your own family (as in education, healthcare, etc.)

(3) The Economy - The GOP should articulate more on the economy and educate the public more about economic policies.

There’s much more, but I’m too tired right now.

[An American!]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2125623/posts

Good point. Palin tried that, and did gain good traction, but it was too little too late and the MSM beat that message down with their anti-palin stories.

[bdognet]

http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/ashamed-of-my-country/

Freedom, Liberty, Personal Responsibility, and general Conservative principles suffered a crushing defeat tonight. The concept of limited government seems dead. In an election I will remember as the choice of the lesser of two evils, evil won.

Tonight the fight for control of our country begins anew. The 2010 election begins now. I expect history to repeat itself. I expect Obama, Reid and Pelosi to follow the Clinton model in 1992 and overreach, thinking tonight gives them a clear left-wing mandate. I expect the Democrats to raise taxes and raise spending. I expect them to push for nationalized health care, the fairness doctrine, and the card check union system. I expect there will be a backlash in 2 years. As Conservatives, it is time to dust ourselves off, look to the principles of Reagan and Goldwater and Gingrich that served us so well in the past, and begin the fight anew.

If there is a lesson to be learned from this election, it’s that Republicans cannot and should not win by trying to move to the center. We must again become the party of small government. We must return to the concepts of fiscal responsibility and personal liberty. Our country is doomed to follow the path of other once-great societies if we do not.

[light-bulb]

Thanks for your input ‘An American’. A few of these points I didn't develop as well as should have been done. I had no idea about the Texas budget cycle, but it certainly gives me some hope as to what may be more useful for our Federal government.

I see 4 as a method to create a unity between all parties. Obama brought Green jobs (yuck) but it struck a chord. The idea that blue collar can turn in their shirts and get Green collar jobs that promise higher wages did have impact, and certainly brought the youth out in droves as well. They took that issue and used it very well, but we all know in reality it's simply well distribution. From one job into another.

5.) I can't agree more. I've seen this time and time again in my church. We were much more effective at giving aid to Katrina, and rebuilding than the respective government attempts and we should know well that much of that is from the more personal attention and focus, and more of a mission of spreading more than just money, but in fact helping to lift up. The issue has no become similar to historical references. If we look at Rome and the way welfare was used, literally they built a dependency and future politicians had very difficult times without matching those ‘gifts’. Welfare is a habit, and without some type of strong transition plan for recipients... you could lose that portion of the vote. So from a strategy to win, what can we do?

6.) I don't think I'm alone on this; I presume a very different battlefield for tomorrow. So for me this is about reducing our dollars spent while at the same time increasing our ability. I'm of the mind set of increasing our special forces troops and highly skilled troops and use as a proactive application of force where we need it. And for our intelligence gathering, I want to see reduced agencies and offices and more of a flat ‘Intelligence’ entity. We spend way too much money on capabilities for each of our people when we could consolidate and flatten out this area. I.E we have NGA, CIA, NSA, NRO, FBI, the list goes on. (http://www.fas.org/irp/official.html)
I'm not sure of what the answer is, however, IF we can reign in that spending while increasing our ability that is something both sides could be for I think.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope once some of the emotion quiets, we can all put our thinking caps on and come up with a platform we would support + consider the other side to begin thinking of how to be flexible on items where we must.

[light-bulb]

How it's worded is everything, and I think you should go for it. I tell ya, everyone I talked to who was for Obama quickly changed their mind when I talked about this very important point. The media didn't provide the coverage on the issue, and they certainly didn't hit on his talks with Planned Parenthood.

Shirts, bumper stickers, anything you can get out there.

“So this woman goes into a bar and says I'd like a beer and an abortion.” I have no idea what the punchline would be as I am not a comedian but I'm sure it's there.

Perhaps “Since 1973 there has been nearly 50,000,000 abortions... .001% were from Rape... So where are the other 49,550,000 of us?” I probably wouldn't mention the 50,000,000 illegals since 1973 we've imported...

Your scrambled or poached line makes me ill, but maybe that's what we need.

There needs to be explicit video showing the truth of these evil things, they need to be on TV in ads. I mean come on, the picture of the little child in the hand is powerful, the video of a baby being vacuumed while he/she lies suffocating in the womb needs to be seen. The ugliness needs to be seen. The guilt of this must come out.

And Lexinom I agree, the Right to Life is #1 the rest are noise in comparison, but if we can't get in power we have no method legally to help correct this issue.

God Bless everyone, and think of the future, Get Angry now, and Vent, but get constructive and focus that anger for motivation and perseverance we'll need for the next 4 years.

[spacewarp]

A lot of people, when presented with the ideas of the Libertarian party like a lot of what they hear. Not all of it, but a lot. But, if you say “That’s the Libertarian Party” they flip out. It’s a matter of branding.

What we need is a new party that has the Republican conservatism and the Libertarian freedom and combine those together with a new brand name.

[Danny594]

Personally, I’m going to avoid CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSBC, and even FOX (unless there is a emergency). Advertisers need to be able to connect the news media’s agenda to decreasing advertising revenue before there can be any progress. But first I personally need to “get over” my shock of what I feared the most just happened. Prehaps in a few weeks I might be able to see things a little clearer.

[spacewarp]

One thing we can do is pick a particular advertiser. Have as many of us contact them and state that because of MSNBC’s extremist biased coverage of the news, and they’re an advertiser, that we will no longer support their products until either a) MSNBC rights the ship and stops trying to make the news instead of reporting it, or b) they stop supporting MSNBC.

Eventually, MSNBC will shrivel and die.

Then, we do that with CNN.

Then ABC News
Or CBS News
Or NBC News.

One at a time, pressure every advertiser of their news shows. We’ll tune in for the amusement one day and see them running ads for Mika’s Pawn Shoppe on the corner of 4th an Main.

:D

[NY Attitude]

As a start, how about making the English language the basis by which all lessons are taught. Secondly, those that do not speak English should take ESL on their own time. We force the teachers to cater to those that do not understand the lessons, thereby dumbing down our children because the teachers time is spent doing tutoring. Finally, what is with promoting children that do not pass the curriculum to the next higher level?

[hilaryrhymeswithrich]

www.modernconservative.com

The anystreet.org project...freepmail me if you are interested...

[dmz]

There will be no 2012 election for the people.

No, really. The sky is falling.

Your comment has become quite popular around here, as I've read it about a dozen time this morning.

Let me say without equivocation. In November of 2012, we will have a general election for president, the campaign for which will be starting in, well, about 15 or 20 minutes.

[freekitty]

Well goodie for you.

[dmz]

Ah, petulance added to your pessimism. Take a nap, have a drink, smoke a doobie. Do something. Stop thinking about this election for a spell. It is having a lousy impact on your overall wellbeing.

Barack Obama will not have the power, the influence, or the wherewithal to cancel the 2012 presidential election, your chicken little routine notwithstanding.

Lots of folks are dazed and confused today. We all still have work to do.

[ivoteright]

A lot of people, when presented with the ideas of the Libertarian party like a lot of what they hear. Not all of it, but a lot. But, if you say “That’s the Libertarian Party” they flip out. It’s a matter of branding. What we need is a new party that has the Republican conservatism and the Libertarian freedom and combine those together with a new brand name.

I agree. A lot of Republicans who are first and foremost conservatives got out of bed this morning and asked which party they should join, because the GOP is bought and paid for. We need to take responsibility and start anew. I know it will take a long time, but what else am I doing for the rest of my life? Let's go, people. This was our wake up call.

[patriciaruth]

Getting back the schools.

Yes, a great place to start. We need to check out our local school boards, and the cirriculum (stealth-like at first).

I also think we need to have a concerted effort to boycott all the liberal broadcast media (except a few shows that don’t offend, like the Unit and Gary Sinise’s CSI: NY).

Just don’t watch at all CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, etc. and subscribe to the Wall Street Journal or other center to center right paper or news magazine (like Weekly Standard)

[TeleStraightShooter]

I'll see your 2 syllable Aitch and raise you another 2: Hussein

[An American!]

What we need is a new party that has the Republican conservatism and the Libertarian freedom and combine those together with a new brand name.

There is something to be said for a new name. The Dems rebranded successfully (with the complicit help of the media) to the word Change. They were the Change party. The Republicans could try something similar, or as many have hinted at...a real 3 or more party system...who knows it might actually unlock the gridlock in Washington.