Posted on 10/14/2008 6:58:38 AM PDT by markomalley
Outside of stump speeches, carefully scripted responses to reporters, and the endless recitation of talking points, there are a few moments when a politician speaks from the heart. It is in these moments when true motivations and core beliefs are often revealed.
Such a moment occurred this past weekend, when Barack Obama unveiled his socialist leanings and gave a clue to the American people about what Obama is all about. But, are the American people listening? Have they become so duped by the rhetoric of "hope" and "change" that they don't see the train wreck that's about to happen? Our freedoms are already being taken away as government continues to grow. If Obama gets elected, the subtleties will be thrown out the window as blatant socialism will rule the day. Just read Obama's response to a plumber's question in Ohio...
As reported by Fox News, during a campaign event in Ohio, Obama was peppered with questions from a local plumber who asked, "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" The plumber was complaining (as I often do) that he is "being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream."
Obama's response? He gave the plumber a classic dose of socialism:
"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Spread the wealth around? This is America, isn't it? Redistributing the "wealth" is a classic tenant of Marxist philosophy. Communist China, the former Soviet Union, Cuba, and so on.... they all believe in government ownership of basically everything. Hard work, initiative, expertise... none of that is rewarded. Instead, the efforts of the talented and the hard-working are taken from them and given to those who don't work as hard. The result is a decrease in productivity, not to mention the self-fulfillment that comes from being rewarded for a job well done. And this is exactly what Barack Obama wants to do!
John McCain needs to get the message out on EXACTLY how he and Barack Obama are different. Yes, there should be tax cuts, and they should be for all Americans. Everytime Obama speaks about tax cuts, he only talks about cutting taxes for a particular group or segment of society. It is social engineering at its worst. Obama and the "govermennt" will decide how to redistribute the wealth of this country. McCain needs to hammer this!!!
My question to Obama is this... How do you make the economy good "for folks at the bottom up" without injecting more government into the picture or letting capitalism work?
Does Obama really understand the essence of America? It is strong because of the American spirit of invention and the bravery to undertake new endeavors. Those at the economic bottom DO NOT create jobs. Those at the economic bottom get hired for jobs. When the economy is robust, more jobs are created, thus more people get hired. There's not a business existing in America today that doesn't want to "do more business." In order to grow, more workers must be hired, and more capital purchased... both of which benefit the economy. Doesn't Obama understand this???
Let's just do a little simple math to see how taxes really work. Let's say there is a person making $50,000/year and paying 15% in federal income tax. Thus, the person's yearly tax burden is $7,500. If someone making $1,000,000/year paid at the same tax rate, they would pay $150,000 in taxes. So, the person making $50,000 pays $7,500, and the person making a million pays $150,000. Those who make more money, pay more in taxes. It's only logical.
However, that is not how a socialist thinks. Rather than each person truly paying "their fair share," the socialist says that the "rich" person should not only pay more because he or she makes more, but they should also pay a higher percentage. So, the person making $1,000,000/year instead pays 35% in taxes for a tax bill of $350,000. That's an extra $200,000 that the government takes out of circulation to pay for their social engineering.
My contention is this, there is basically nothing that the individual with an extra $200k as his/her disposal could do that is "bad" for the economy. The person could save it, thus giving banks more leverage to do business. The person could invest in, thus helping new or established companies grow. The person could donate some to charity, thus help organizations at the grassroots level do things more efficiently than the federal government could ever hope to. Or, God forbid, the person could simply go out and buy stuff. Two hundred thousand dollars of stuff is a lot of stuff! Imagine all that cash injected into society. Talk about a stimulus package. More goods being purchased, whether it is cars, clothes, furniture, food, or whatever, means that more jobs will be needed to produce those goods. It's as simple as that.
The problem is that Obama uses the politics of "trickle down economics" to pit one socio-economic group against another. It is typical class warfare, and it is un-American. Someone (McCain) needs to meet this head on and use some "straight talk." There is no "trickle down" theory. The more money that is in the hands of those who make the money, and outside the clutches of government, benefits the entire society instantly. There is nothing to trickle down. When all Americans are treated fairly, we all benefit. That is the American way!
Investor's Business Daily describes Obama as "the most anti-capitalist politician ever nominated by a major party." In their editorial, IBD describes the Obama/liberal agenda as follows:
It starts with a tax system right out of Marx: A massive redistribution of income -- from each according to his ability, to each according to his need -- all in the name of "neighborliness," "patriotism," "fairness" and "justice."
It continues with a call for a new world order that turns its back on free trade, has no problem with government controlling the means of production, imposes global taxes to support continents where our interests are negligible, signs on to climate treaties that will sap billions more in U.S. productivity and wealth, and institutes an authoritarian health care system that will strip Americans' freedoms and run up costs.
All the while, it ensures that nothing -- absolutely nothing -- will be done to secure a sufficient, terror-proof supply of our economic lifeblood -- oil -- a resource we'll need much more of in the years ahead.
McCain needs to board the Straight Talk Express and let the American people know what Obama is all about, and how McCain is different. Make no mistake, Sen. McCain, an Obama administration IS scary. You should be scared too. You should also hit Obama hard every single time he engages is socialist rhetoric.
All people are capable of abusing the system, and as we've seen lately, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of greed and corruption. But it is not the American way to punish initiative and ingenuity. It is not "patriotic" to pay more taxes. All Americans should pay less taxes! In tough economic times, the last thing you want to do is hurt business producers. Who is going to create the jobs? The government?
Everyone is LISTENING that’s the problem! People have been taught in leftist run schools that socialism is COOL! It’s not as if people are being fooled. Those voting for Obama WANT SOCIALISM!
See, Obama is the guy who will finally make it work because he’s been trained by the right kind of people.
I made this point to a 50 year old school teacher last night. She responded that she darn well knew Obama is a socialist and that is precisely why she supported him. She admitted to being a socialist that wants to destroy the constitution.
They don’t even bother hiding it any more. I found a good yard sign, but I don’t think it would make much difference in my neck of the woods. (Obama/Marx 08)
http://signs.cafepress.com/item/obamamarx-08-yard-sign/232703518
(No, I am not pushing a site I own, I just thought this sign is pretty good.)
That sign wouldn’t last thru one night..
This is the issue that Sarah and the old codger should be hammering on every day. If McCain was really interested in winning the Presidency, he’d slap Obama upside the head with this example in tomorrow night’s last debate and never let up. How I wish he’d just send Sarah in to debate for him. He just doesn’t have it in him for fear he may offend someone.
Some of the scariest words I’ve ever read on USENET, when I posted that the U.S. was heading toward socialism if Ubie gets elected (not verbatim):
“So what? Socialism just means that everyone, not just the rich Repuglicans, has money they need to have a good life and any medical care they need (via a free national health program) and then all those rich people won’t be able to hoard all the money while the poor people and middle class have to pay for everything with their taxes, what’s wrong with that? It’s all win-win to me!”
:-O
God help us all!!! These ignorant people have NO idea all the freedoms they will lose if that happens—they seem to think everyone will get a free ride no matter what—and somebody ELSE out there in the ether can pay for it! Yikes!!
I agree, which is why I won’t waste my $$ on it. I did see a guy with a similar bumper sticker and I made a new friend. ;-)
When a chunk of the electorate is similar to those interviewed here, are you surprised?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU
Hey, have you found Galt’s Gulch? I’ve been searching in vain and I’m hoping some FReepers can help me with my search.
KYPD!
yes, they want socialism, but most won't admit that that's what they're supporting. It's maddening.
My poor liberal daughter out in Washington [state] believes socialism would be a good thing. She emphasizes that does not mean “communism” but socialism. Our kids sent through the liberal colleges and unversities have been brain-trashed [not brainwashed].
Costa Rica has been suggested.
Or, we could just stay here and break the system by overloading it instead of feeding it.
We can’t say that Obama is a terrorist.
But we CAN say Obama is RECKLESS SPENDER when he handles OTHER people’s money.
Obama has MISSPENT millions of dollars in ways that harm Americans.
Obama has helped-
Acorn screw voters and banks
Rezko build slums
the racists Wright and Pfleger continue with their activities
Fannie Mae rob us
third parties indoctrinate Chicago public school children
Hey BIG SPENDER, what are your plans when you get your hands on the Federal Budget?
Ask her to explain the difference.
Socialism is not possible without the use of force, because, by definition, socialism is replacing each individual’s life goals with some “societal goal”. And it requires force to make someone act against their own goals.
His capital gains exemption is for those who invest in small business. How many small businesses sell stock in themselves or take outside investment? Any income received by the proprietor is just that income, no different than the salary a teacher gets or a health care worker. He has not only no understanding of business and eco. He has no knowledge to help him develop understanding. His advisers are locked into European Social Democrat models or more extreme state /corporate socialist models. But he's preaching to a class divided society where the entitlement class wants more stuff and socialism is the vehicle to deliver. And they outnumber the rest of us.
First of all I can’t belive that Obama is actually considered ready for the presidency. And I don’t want him in there. But I also don’t want the IRS and the Federal Reserve to continue to exist. And since I live in NY where Obama can only lose if the democrat majority votes for McCain I intend to vote for a real change: following the Constitution and getting the Federal Government out of everybody’s pockets. The Constitution Party is a start. They now have Ron Paul’s support. We have to get out of the Empire Business. Can you explain why we still need troups in Germany 60 years after WWII?
Who will Obama pick to head up the FBI, Homeland Security, the IRS and other federal agencies that will be used against the people who complain about his political agendas? ...I ask because it has occurred to me that this smug thug will give us more to worry about than his Socialism. We might be looking at the last free election ever to be held in the United States. Four years from now, unemployment will be in the double digits. Interest rates will go through the roof, as will inflation. There will be fuel shortages, food shortages and government takeovers of businesses as the US is transformed into a Third World, socialist paradise of confused, angry and desperate people. But, that won’t be the worst of it. Think what will happen with our immigration laws, our military, freedom of speech, our 2nd Amendment. The smug thug is going to show us that nationalized heathcare is the least of our worries.
I went through the liberal public school system in New York and went to a liberal college and I turned out more conservative than ever!!!!! I even earned pretty good grades from my most radical professors, they all seemed to like me. They were just amazed how someone so young was so conservative. I gues this was when we could have a civil discourse with liberals./Just Asking - seoul62......
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