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Are You Too Dumb to Understand Evolution?
CreationEvolutionHeadlines ^ | September 10, 2008

Posted on 09/11/2008 9:55:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Sept 10, 2008 — Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design, but he thinks lay people are too uneducated to understand how this is possible, so he gives them the watered-down version of Darwin’s natural selection instead, which he knows is inadequate to explain the complexity of life. That’s what he seemed to be telling reporter Susan Mazur in an interview for the Scoop (New Zealand). Is the lay public really too dense for the deeper knowledge of how evolution works?...

(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2smart2fall4it; atheistagenda; creation; crevo; darwin; evolution; god; intelligentdesign; scientism
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To: ColdWater
I think you mistook my post as being my words. They were not mine nor did I post in support of those words.

Yes I thought that it was your compilation of quotes, representing your beliefs. I am relieved that it wasn't : )

841 posted on 09/16/2008 8:49:50 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: tpanther

Does that mean you are admitting to purposefully sinning?


842 posted on 09/16/2008 8:50:44 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: tpanther

You mean that since you disagree with me, you have the ‘right’ to sin by misrepresenting my posts? Aren’t you a believer in Hell?


843 posted on 09/16/2008 8:52:57 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: tpanther
YOU couldn’t be more disingenuous, more arrogant, more self-absorbed and more hopelessly wrong if you made it your life’s work!

"Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

The above pops up every time you post. Please abide by the rules.

844 posted on 09/16/2008 8:55:21 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: tacticalogic

I’ll let the scientists arbitrate science, and leave the theologians to religion. You don’t get either one. :)


COOL...then you’ll allow scientists to debate scientists without censorship, lawsuits and continual screamings of “that’s not science”...or “I DEMAND PROOF” before they even open their mouth ?

www.dissentfromdarwin.org

Maybe we’ve made a breakthrough! :)


845 posted on 09/16/2008 8:57:44 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater

Quote from the stickers: This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.”

mm: Is that not how other theories in science are treated?

CW:No.

mm:Are you really saying that other theories in science are not approached with an open mind, are not studied carefully, are not critically considered?

CW: How many stickers should we put on the front of the textbooks?

MM:None. We should be putting none on because there should be no need to. If science were being taught properly in public schools and in the textbooks, there would be no need for reminders like that. But considering the pitiful state of science textbooks that public schools use, I suppose that reminders like that ARE necessary.

Big blunders found in school textbooks
http://www.colleges.com/Umagazine/articles/campusclips/textbooks.html

Review of Middle School Physical Science Texts
http://www.science-house.org/middleschool/reviews/textreview.html

“Science Myths” in K-6 Textbooks and Popular culture
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/miscon/miscon.html


846 posted on 09/16/2008 8:58:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
MM:None. We should be putting none on because there should be no need to. If science were being taught properly in public schools and in the textbooks, there would be no need for reminders like that. But considering the pitiful state of science textbooks that public schools use, I suppose that reminders like that ARE necessary.

Your post contradicts itself. If you believe that science is not taught properly, they you believe that there is a need for stickers on the books.

847 posted on 09/16/2008 9:02:17 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: metmom; tpanther

Another thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2084020/posts

Vatican evolution congress to exclude creationism, intelligent design


848 posted on 09/16/2008 9:04:56 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: tpanther
If we're going to have the government not endorsing religion, maybe we need to get rid of this.....

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

What's all that religious stuff doing in a political document? Do you suppose that some here might just propose abolishing it for its endorsement of religion in the form of creationism?

I mean, here it is actually promoting the Judeo-Christian God. Isn't that the same as establishing a state religion?

Isn't that the same as establishing a (shudder) theocracy? God is mentioned, you know.

/Liberal-dude mode.

849 posted on 09/16/2008 9:08:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
So are you saying that there are no Communist revolutionaries who are mistakenly (or deliberately) labeled radical Islamists by the MSM? If that is your contention, I will most definitely ping you when T-logic finally rejoins the conversation to defends his secularist brethren in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Hmm, I can't remember the last time that I recall the MSM labeling a terrorist a Muslim or a Communist. Can you? The cover up is so common it is a joke.

The other obvious point that you seem to be missing is that there aren't really any communists anymore. The Chinese 'communists' are more capitalists than we are and the Russians are 'democratic' or a puppet dictatorship, take your pick.

850 posted on 09/16/2008 9:09:25 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: ColdWater; metmom

YOU couldn’t be more disingenuous, more arrogant, more self-absorbed and more hopelessly wrong if you made it your life’s work!

“Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.”

The above pops up every time you post. Please abide by the rules.


LOL...over-reacting on top of all else now ?????

Those weren’t personal attacks...those were just personal OBSERVATIONS ColdWater.

If you get offended because a Christian invites you to “pour cold water on your head”...then you TRULY have some mighty thin skin!

And you can stop with the double standards...continually projecting and flinging around disingenuous arguments then whining about others “not following the rules” or not being “good Christians in danger of hellfire due to our sins of misrepresenting poor poor me” while holding yourself to NO such standards?

Pleeez!

I really thought you’d be a bit more of a challenge! ;)

And frankly you should feel priveleged to be allowed on other than your home site of DU!

Get a grip already! You won’t be marched into church tomorrow if evolution is properly “vetted” as you people like to say lately. :)


851 posted on 09/16/2008 9:12:39 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic; betty boop; tpanther
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

It doesn't say that the government is to promote science and the useful arts using taxpayer money in government funded schools. It's very specific about HOW the government is to promote science and the useful arts and that is through private means. It is not by funding it with public monies.

Again, taking only part of what was said and misrepresenting it.

852 posted on 09/16/2008 9:14:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LeGrande

==The other obvious point that you seem to be missing is that there aren’t really any communists anymore.

You obviously have not idea what you are talking about. You must be a Darwinist.


853 posted on 09/16/2008 9:23:17 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

What’s all that religious stuff doing in a political document? Do you suppose that some here might just propose abolishing it for its endorsement of religion in the form of creationism?

I mean, here it is actually promoting the Judeo-Christian God. Isn’t that the same as establishing a state religion?

Isn’t that the same as establishing a (shudder) theocracy? God is mentioned, you know.

/Liberal-dude mode.


To give you some idea just how this lunacy has progressed by these “progressives” over the years, as I’m certain you already know: I can remember these culture war debates when it began to get bad about 8-10 years ago.

It was pointed out by me that if this lunacy continues eventually they’ll be demanding crosses be pulled out of Arlington Nat’l cemetery and they’ll demand taxpayers, chisel out the 10 commandments on buildings like the Supreme Court.

We thought that would be like the end of the road, worst case scenario.

Since then, Michael Newdow’s charade with his own daughter has occured ALL THE WAY TO THE SCOTUS, Mt Soledad has occured and dozens if not hundreds of ridiculous instances of this Christian-America-hate run amok have occured.

School calendars under attack, town logos...it’s a real culture crisis.

Luckily since then I guess Americans have wisened up to some degree with many books and of course the various Christian legal services.

But 8-10 years ago it’s incredible to see this grow.

Sad as can be for this country.


854 posted on 09/16/2008 9:26:48 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: GodGunsGuts; metmom
The other obvious point that you seem to be missing is that there aren’t really any communists anymore.

You obviously have not idea what you are talking about. You must be a Darwinist.

Just where are these 'Communists?' But more to the point, when was the last time you saw a report from the MSM that labeled a Communist terrorist a Muslim terrorist? That is the point you have been trying to make.

It is put up or shut up time. Show us the MSM report that labels a Communist Terrorist as an Islamic Terrorist : )

For some odd reason I don't think you have it, just like when I asked Metmom for a clear, accurate fulfilled prophecy. The silence was deafening.

855 posted on 09/16/2008 9:37:07 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande; metmom; GodGunsGuts

For some odd reason I don’t think you have it, just like when I asked Metmom for a clear, accurate fulfilled prophecy. The silence was deafening.


what’s so special about “accurate fulfilled prophecy”?


856 posted on 09/16/2008 9:43:07 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater
“If we teach the Genesis of creation, which Genesis do we teach? Genesis I which says that God created animals before man, or Genesis II which says that Adam was alone and God created animals to comfort Adam?”
Congratulations!

You have just completely demonstrated your utter lack of understanding of Genesis 1 & 2.

Brilliant.
857 posted on 09/16/2008 9:54:18 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: LeGrande
Hey, LeGrande, got a question for you.

If everyone else here went and read a few of your posts from previous debates, would you continue to post on this thread?

Hehe...
858 posted on 09/16/2008 9:58:33 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: metmom
Strange, then I wonder why the Founding Fathers didn't eliminate all reference of God or the Bible from the public education system as it stood at the time the Constitution was written. Or why....

Do you think freedom of speech applies to this forum? After all, the Founding Fathers didn't say anything about the Internet. They laid down a set of principles that have been applied to changing circumstances ever since. One of the circumstances that changed is that non-Christians started asking not to have Christianity forced on them in schools. Saying the First Amendment doesn't cover that because the Fathers didn't address it is like saying there's no freedom of speech for TV, radio, or Internet forums.

859 posted on 09/16/2008 10:46:33 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: tpanther
What the HECK are you talking about?

I don’t think even your Jewish friends are going to agree with you that Christians in this country are not American!

This makes no sense. When did I say Christians are not American?

And no, it wasn’t a prank and true they weren’t gubmint santas. This is really how godless liberals ARE!

I really think you need to slow down--whether your reading, your typing, or your consumption, I'm not sure. The "prank" I referred to was the people who, on their own, showed up in Santa costume. Good for them--very funny. Are you saying they were godless liberals?

860 posted on 09/16/2008 10:51:42 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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