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To: metmom
Strange, then I wonder why the Founding Fathers didn't eliminate all reference of God or the Bible from the public education system as it stood at the time the Constitution was written. Or why....

Do you think freedom of speech applies to this forum? After all, the Founding Fathers didn't say anything about the Internet. They laid down a set of principles that have been applied to changing circumstances ever since. One of the circumstances that changed is that non-Christians started asking not to have Christianity forced on them in schools. Saying the First Amendment doesn't cover that because the Fathers didn't address it is like saying there's no freedom of speech for TV, radio, or Internet forums.

859 posted on 09/16/2008 10:46:33 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; tpanther
One of the circumstances that changed is that non-Christians started asking not to have Christianity forced on them in schools.

No, they haven't "asked", they've demanded and sued for it.

And how is Christianity *forced* on anyone in schools? Are they required to believe it? Are they required to participate? Do they not have the option of simply not listening? The schools allow kids to opt out of activities if they wish.

So now non-Christians force their non-Christian views on others by having all traces of religion being kept from so much as being mentioned. Schools are sued to have any mention of Christmas removed from the school; can't call it Christmas break, can't have Christmas programs, have to call it *Winter Festival* or some such drivel. Kids are harassed about bringing Bibles into schools. They are denied permission to start Bible study groups as an after school activity, which no one is forced to attend.

It would be amusing if it weren't so sad, the hypocrisy of the non-Christians in their behavior. They object to being *forced* to even hear about references to God or Christ and yet are more than willing to force their non-Christian belief system on the rest of the country.

They're not willing to live and let live. They have to walk around being perpetually offended. They feel obligated to sue everyone else into compliance with their belief system and the scream if they simply encounter references to God. "Do as I say, not as I do" is the by word for these folks. They are hypocrisy personified.

The Constitution does not guarantee a God free society.

This is a privately owned site. Did you not know? The owner is free to do as he pleases. The Constitution applies to the Federal government and Congress is specifically prevented from passing laws abridging the freedom of speech or the press.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

865 posted on 09/17/2008 5:33:17 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Yeah, you’re right, they laid out some big principles, like the assumption of the need for religious morality, in the founding documents.

And they expected these principles to be applied into the future, subject to Amendment.

Yes, one of the circumstances that changed was that guilty people, not wanting to be confronted with their guilt before God, figured out how to infiltrate the judicial system to force atheism on those that didn’t want it.


873 posted on 09/17/2008 6:05:08 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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