Stay Classy Daily Kos: Accusations Palin 'Faked Her Pregnancy' of Down's Syndrome baby

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[chessplayer]

Taking a look at the stories in the Old Media will show that the Media is turning attack dog ASAP on McCain's choice for vice president, Sarah Palin. Notice the main meme is her supposed "inexperience." Funny how Palin was the VP pick for about 15 seconds before the Old Media went after her "inexperience" while they have yet to hit Barry Obama on HIS inexperience at all and he's been running for president since 2004. We should also note that Palin didn't get the honeymoon that Biden got when his announcement was made. But, the worst is yet to come and the Daily Kos is doing its level best to mine the lowest of lows. In a Kos diary today, it is being alleged that Sarah Palin "faked" the pregnancy of her last child, a baby born with Down's Syndrome. The claim is that it was her teenaged daughter's child, not hers. And, true to form, the Kossacks took that absurd calumny and hate even further in the comments.

[Forest Keeper]

No one ever said that because there are so many more even better reasons why she is unfit to be much more than the model for a Halloween fright mask to scare little kids with! :)

Well, when I'm beat, I'm beat. :)

[Forest Keeper]

We’re lost without a decent Congress. But, God IS in control.

Yes, and I'm afraid the good guys are really going to need His help this year in terms of the Congress. It may be that the best we can hope for this time is a President who will disagree with a liberal Congress MOST of the time. :)

[Marysecretary]

I’ve been praying certain prayers on a 40 day prayer thread. They come every day. This country needs to repent and come to Christ. I don’t know what it will take but...

[Forest Keeper]

FK: I would still defend Palin against the sexism in the media.

What sexism?

Are you kidding, or just not watching the MSM? They have said that she is not the mother of her own son and that Palin covered up that Bristol is the real mother. They have used the term "beauty queen" to make her look like a lightweight. And, they (and you and others here) have asserted that she is unfit to run for high office because it would make her an unfit mother in your personal judgment, a similar charge having NEVER been levied against a man, EVER! .............. I'm just trying to defend this (apparent) good woman as very likely being the best hope against the country going down the toilet under an Obama administration. How long after election day do you think it would take Stevens to retire if Obama won? I'm talking lives here.

Her judgment and her priorities were questioned based on what became known about her children

That's sexism. Name a man for me that you disqualified for office based on the same thing.

...... and they questioned her patriotism in light of her husband's treasonous membership with the Alaskan Independence Party, and any lack of apology to the nation for such association.

I don't know what you're talking about. That group isn't treasonous because you say it is, and I haven't heard anything about her husband being a member. Regardless if he ever was, the most hateful places in the MSM are not even touching this angle, so what does that tell you? It tells me that you are trying to make something out of nothing. :)

If anyone is using sexism it's the GOP by promoting her as some GOP Xena Doll who has actually come to dominate the whole show since Wednesday.

Gimmee a break, she may be Xena, but she's no doll. She delivered a tremendous speech that us conservatives were hungry for. McCain was underwhelming, but competent. Where's the sexism in that? She delivered and outshined McCain. Even liberals said she gave the better speech, along with conservatives.

Just a reminder: a few months ago, McCain was a dirty word among conservative Republicans. Your own darling Ann Coulter said "McCain nomination would make me a 'Hillary girl"'.

Lest there be no mistake, I am no waterboy for John McCain!!! :) I voted strategically AGAINST HIM in my primary, to no avail, and have been very critical of him on FR. However, these are the cards I have left. If the opponents were Zell Miller and a Zell Miller clone then I would vote for them. Instead, the opponents are the NUMBER 1 MOST LIBERAL SENATOR in the US Senate and the NUMBER 3 MOST LIBERAL SENATOR. That tends to tighten the clothespin around my nose and inspire me to some improvisation. :)

Last night was almost a coronation. How quickly people change their minds! People don't even realize how manipulated they are.

Sure. That's politics! :)

Rush Limbaugh was even more blunt. Commenting on the possibility that Huckabee or McCain getitng the GOP nomination, Rush said ;"it's going to destroy the Republican Party, it's going to change it forever, be the end of it. A lot of people aren't going to vote."

Rush was right that this represents a huge change for conservatives. Even if "we" win we're going to be very unhappy a lot of the time. And, there will be some who vote for Barr rather than McCain. I just pray he was wrong about changing the party forever. :)

And now, a few months later, McCain is a hero of the GOP? Talk about shallow! Some backbone, let alone character...

Nah, not a hero, he's NOT Obama. In all honesty I have to kind of laugh at myself since McCain may be the only (R) who has a whisker's chance of preventing a total socialist from getting in this time around. Among a few other potentially good things, at least McCain should get the financial house in order if elected.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

How long after election day do you think it would take Stevens to retire if Obama won? I'm talking lives here.

EXACTLY! And that's one of the most compelling reasons for voting for McCain.

I agree you can cut the sexism with a knife regarding Palin. Even that doofus, Peggy Noonan, couldn't resist getting in her snide jab.

It all goes to show you can't please all the people all of the time.

I think it's momentous for our country that a black man was nominated for President of the United States. But because that man is a socialist, the choice gets clearer every day.

And have we ever had such a pro-life ticket? Most Republican candidates barely give it lip-service. But McCain is no late-comer; he's always been pro-life. And between her own baby with Down Syndrome and her pregnant daughter, who is living life more affirmatively than Sarah Palin?

At the very least, Palin appears to be a person who lives what she says. How rare is that?

[xzins]

Everything about Palin convinces me she’s the real deal.

McCain’s speech the other night convinced me in no uncertain terms that he’s a true believer in America AND in whatever else he decides is right. I know he’s the best the nation has on Defense/Military/Security issues. He really is a fiscal hawk. His pro-life creds are among the best.

His speech stood again for illegal immigrants, and he does believe in campaign finance reform. I disagree with both of those. On illegals IF the fence gets built first, and IF we end the anchor-baby practive, then I can stand behind a reasonable worker permit program that also allows those workers to apply for citizenship. I would ease the path for citizenship to any child of workers who (1)Serves in our military, and (2) learns our language.

On campaign finance, there is something in me that recoils at Soros (or any other individual or cabal) being able to buy elections by spending a billion dollars. The challenge is to preserve the first amendment AND prevent vote buying and front-end graft (buying access and favors BEFORE an election.) If it’s corrupt to pay off Congressman Jefferson while he’s in office, then it’s corrupt to buy him ahead of time via his campaign fund.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

David will follow his son, by dying himself. There is  nothing in it about reunification. It merely states what we all know, that we all join, those who passed before us, in the act of dying.

That's not what the text says. The text says David believes he will "go to him (his son.)" Not "follow him" or "mind-meld with him."

"Go to him." As in "being with him; joining him; seeing him again."

As in "At Thanksgiving, we go to Grandma's house for turkey." We're not in the vacinity of Grandma's house. We're sitting down next to her at the table.

Frankly from your description it sounds like you're a Buddhist, believing in one giant Happy Face from which we all spring and to which we all return. Very Platonic of you.

The fact you introduce doubt into this clear passage is troubling. Not for me, but obviously for you.

Phrase the question anyway you choose (just don't rewrite the text) -- Do you believe or was David correct to believe or are any of us correct to believe the David would "go to" (see again, be reunited with) his son again?

Or is heaven just another myth?

[kosta50]

Are you kidding, or just not watching the MSM? They have said that she is not the mother of her own son and that Palin covered up that Bristol is the real mother.

I read everyone's sources, and the particular accusation was first published in KOS, which MSN simply carried the way most media carry wire services (AP, Reuters, etc.).

The accusation was by itself not "sexist." It was false, of course, and not in good taste, but it wasn't sexist.

They have used the term "beauty queen" to make her look like a lightweight

Beauty queen is what she was, and being a beauty queen is not sexist. It's actually something a lot of people make a big deal of.

Women who become beauty queens enter the context by their choice. Being a "queen" sort of forces the gender, don't ya think? I mean, a few guys may try to be "queens," but I doubt anyone would take them seriously even in our modern, permissive society. :)

And, they (and you and others here) have asserted that she is unfit to run for high office because it would make her an unfit mother in your personal judgment

I questioned her decisions (risk-taking) with her last child. If she can be so casual about her own child, and put politics first, I think my doubt is well founded.

She is also a hardline Evangelical Christian and I do not trust people who think they are on a misison from God. That is too Mohammedan for me.

She also spouts Christian values and her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant! If she can't instill Christian values in her own family, then all this "hollier-than-though" is a label with no substance.

Many people in this country would still consider what happened to her daughter as scandalous. But the Palins seem to be fine with that. I am not sure America can fully identify with them.

But, all these objections set aside, I based my judgment as a reaction to Karl Rove's conviction that Gov. Kaine of Virginia was unqualified to serve as Vice President even though he was a Governor longer than Palin (twice a long), in a state that has 11 times the population of Alaska, and was a mayor of a city that has one third the population of Alaska, and 21 times the population of Wasilla, AK.

Obviously Gov. Kaine's level of executive difficulty leaves Gov. Palin way behind, yet Rove was absolutely adamant Kaine wasn't qualified!

When I showed you Karl Rove's idiotic conclusion all you could say was "you don't expect him to be objective, do you?" No I don't. But you seem to expect everyone else to be objective with Gov. Palin?!? Is that sexism in reverse or just lack of any objectivity?

Try using the same yardstick for a change. It goes a long way in showing that you are interested in truth and not partisan politics.

a similar charge having NEVER been levied against a man, EVER

If you replaced man in the story of Gov. Palin I would have expressed the same doubt in his judgment as well for all the reasons listed above.

That's sexism. Name a man for me that you disqualified for office based on the same thing

I can't, because no man to my knowledge has a broken water and risked infection to deliver the speech instead of going to the hospital, as the specialists recommend, let alone take a roundabout way to deliver in Alaska because you don't want your "Alaskan fisherman" to be a "Texan!" (I am assuming you have done your research and are familiar with what I am referring to)

I'm just trying to defend this (apparent) good woman as very likely being the best hope against the country going down the toilet under an Obama administration

You re assuming that she is good and the other side is bad. So far I have not seen anything concrete to back up your assumptions. You have not quoted one source, just your opinions.

The worst thing is that the press will not go away. Sarah Palin needs the press on her side rather than antagonize the press. Of course, the McCain staff will not let her say anything to the press for a good reason. Even a day after the GOP Convention, she was (repeating) the same prewritten one-liners from Wednesday. That's like a comedian telling the same jokes over and over.

It appears that she cannot or will not say anything that is not scripted. That doesn't inspire much confidence in reasonable people.

[kosta50]

How long after election day do you think it would take Stevens to retire if Obama won? I'm talking lives here

Who is Stevens?

That group [Alaskan Independence Party] isn't treasonous because you say it is, and I haven't heard anything about her husband being a member.

Regardless if he ever was, the most hateful places in the MSM are not even touching this angle, so what does that tell you? It tells me that you are trying to make something out of nothing

Mission statement of Alaskan Independence Party founder, Joe Volger:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American...I've got no use for America or her damned institutions. The fires of hell are glaciers compared to my hate for America and her government."

I guess that's nothing...

That same Joe Vogler (in 1990) published the following picture to represent the relationship between the US and Alaska)

It shows the US as a huge snake swallowing Alaska. I guess that's nothing to you as well. Not only that, I am making it up, right?

That this party has not morphed into something "less" anti-American, and that it's goal is Independence is obvious from the Party's Goal statement (my emphasis):

"The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler."

The Party was founded as an Anti-American party and it remains true to its founder to this very day.

So far you have given me nothing but fluff [I can't compete with you there, I am not a lawyer :)]. You have not posted a single reference to support your claims. It's all touchy-feely.

Neither the McCain camp nor Mr. Palin nor his wife are making any attempts to deny Todd Palin's membership in the AIP. They are hoping the issue will go away given the public's short attention span.

[kosta50]

[Sarah Palin] delivered a tremendous speech that us conservatives were hungry for. McCain was underwhelming, but competent. Where's the sexism in that?

Well, that's a fair assessment. She delivered what the crowd wanted to hear, not necessarily what it true. In fact, her speech (which was not her speech; it was written for her and she just read it, or better yet, acted out) was full of inaccurate and exaggerated claims.

The sexism is in her being McCain's choice, appealing specifically to the female gender in hopes of drawing more the womean's "sympathy vote," not necessarily because she is best qualified.

It's sexism par excellence. Hopefully, America's women will show that gender may play a role in some respects, women voters will focus on real issues which neither Palin nor McCain addressed, such as health care and economy.

[Luke21]

The same clowns or their parents thought Mondale’s pick of a NY Congresswoman in 1984 to be tremendous and groundbreaking. They are such hypocrites.

[kosta50]

Rush was right that this represents a huge change for conservatives. Even if "we" win we're going to be very unhappy a lot of the time. And, there will be some who vote for Barr rather than McCain. I just pray he was wrong about changing the party forever

The Republican Party is out of step with reality. It has closed ranks around what most people call "fly over areas" where people still hunt for food, where family trees don't have too many branches and where religion and guns are all they have.

To that, add the lingering remnant of the Great Generation that has no other place to go.

The Republican Party Convention had a total of 36 black delegates, or 1.5% of the total delegate count. If the Democrats are being accused of "sexim" I think the Republicans deserve to be accused of "racism."

But I agree with Rush (on this issue), although he probably retracted his prediction, or forgot all about it. The Republican Party was never defined by men like John McCain, NEVER! His service is appreciated, but one of the greatest icons of the Republican Party, Ronald Reagan never served and he was a very effective president.

John F. Kennedy was never a governor. To the best of my knowledge he wasn't even a mayor. And George Washington was a general, like Ike Eisenhower, and they both did just fine without gubernatorial expedience. McCain was merely a squadron commander after his release.

Now, the Party is dominated by neocons who were not even Republicans before they decided to switch loyalties, by RINOs, and by various nontraditional groups. They all seem to be united, however, in their racially almost pure makeup (98.5% non-black delegate makeup).

But the reality is that America is not 98.5% non-black. I think it's safe to say that the GOP is now a liberal organization that is out of touch with America's reality trying to cut ties to anything G. W. Bush did in the past 8 years, while clinging to guns and religion, in my opinion. And I think this (retrograde) change is permanent, just as Rush suggested.

In all honesty I have to kind of laugh at myself since McCain may be the only (R) who has a whisker's chance of preventing a total socialist from getting in this time around.

If Obama wins, thank G. W. Bush.

Among a few other potentially good things, at least McCain should get the financial house in order if elected.

How so? The man doesn't even know how many houses he owns, or which car does he own.

[kosta50]

The same clowns or their parents thought Mondale’s pick of a NY Congresswoman in 1984 to be tremendous and groundbreaking. They are such hypocrites

Yes they are. That doesn't make their copycats any better. Obama made a mistake for not picking a woman and left that opportunity to the GOP. It's just that of all the presidential candidates (a dozen or so) the GOP came up with white, middle-aged, graying men, and now all of a sudden the GOP is enamored with a woman. Opportunism?

[kosta50]

I think it's momentous for our country that a black man was nominated for President of the United States

I won't argue with that. That's a legitimate objection.

But McCain is no late-comer; he's always been pro-life

I am not sure if it was across the board, as Gov. Palin is. He has also voted in favor of stem cell research while G. W. Bush opposed it.

[kosta50]

That's not what the text says. The text says David believes he will "go to him (his son.)" Not "follow him" or "mind-meld with him."

I said follow "in death." If you look up the Hebrew word "halak" its allegorical meaning, among others, is to die.

The Greek expression "poreusomai pros" (in Septuagint) has a nonsepcific meaning to journey at/nearby/to

Either way, the text expresses David's belief that he will "go" to/towards his son, literally or figuratively, wich is subjetc to interpretation.

Do I believe/know that he joined his son literally? I already told you: I don't know. I am not sure the Bible is clear on that. I know that the Bible says David believed he would. It doesn't say he did.

The fact you introduce doubt into this clear passage is troubling. Not for me, but obviously for you.

No need for toruble, the passage is not clear.

Or is heaven just another myth?

There was no heaven in Judaism of David's time, just Shoel. Post Babylonian (Messianic) Judaism speaks of Olam Ha-Ba (the World to Come) or Gan Eden (the Garden of Eden) as a place of spiritual reward for the righteous, butr doesn't go into any details.

Ancient and modern Judaism are very vague what afterlife entails, and allows for a variety of personal opinions, including reincarnation.

Because Judaism is silent on what afterlife is, the concept of (Christiab-like) heaven can also be believed by an Orthodox Jew.

[kosta50]

Correction, I left out from Dr. E's comment "But because that man is a socialist, the choice gets clearer every day.

My comment "That's a legitimate objection" was referring to that, not to the fact that Obama is black. I made a mistake in pasting the quote.

[Forest Keeper]

What experience? Being tortured and kept in a small isolation cell? I know he suffered and my heart goes out to him for that as a fellow Naval officer and shipmate, but that doesn't make him an expert on anything other than the subject of being a POW.

For his service McCain won the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. He gained valuable experience as the Navy's liaison officer to the U.S. Senate before starting his 25-year career in the Congress. While there he chaired the Commerce Committee and authored/sponsored several pieces of major legislation (many of which I disagree with). He has also obviously done extensive work on the Armed Services Committee. Aside from not being a governor, if he doesn't have the experience to be President I don't know who does. Even the libs know better than to go after McCain on the issue of experience. That would only show how lacking Obama's truly is.

What about his Amnesty Bill he cosponsored with none other than Edward Kennedy?

Plus McCain-Feingold, plus the gang of 14, plus McCain-Lieberman, plus a bunch of other stuff. There is no doubt he is a hundred miles away from being an ideal candidate. AND, he picked a pro-life, conservative running mate and they are what we've got. :)

[kosta50]

if [McCain] doesn't have the experience to be President I don't know who does.

As far as the Congresisonal experience (which is more than sufficient), in addition to McCain, Sen. Biden. However, neither was ever a consideration on my list as both of them are staunch supporters of Kosovo Albanian Mohammedan thugs.

My point was that being a POW doesn't qualify one to be president, and McCain has been milking that ad nauseum. Likewise, gender and race are not "qualifiers."

What matters is what an individual says. Experience helps but it's what they propose that should be the main criterium.

Unfortunately, too many people reduce their choice to race, religion or gender, or even looks.

[wmfights]

My point was that being a POW doesn't qualify one to be president,...

You're right, but how he handled that experience reveals the character within. In the end, there is no way to know what situation a President is going to be confronted with and the only thing you can rely on is his character. Clinton and the mishandling of Kosovo and Bosnia are great illustrations of what happens with someone with no character. Bush and his response to 9-11 is what happens when you have someone with character.

For me, when I learned that McCain turned down release from Hanoi because there were others who had been captured before him I knew I would vote for him.

[xzins]

being a POW doesn't qualify one to be president...

Nothing qualifies one to be president. It is a one-of-a-kind job.

Therefore, we can say that there are jobs one has, positions one holds, experiences one undergoes, that give unique opportunity to learn skills, test character, etc.

In that case, being a POW is one of those remarkable experiences from which one can learn skills and test character. Also, IIRC, the ranking person in a POW setting is by law the commander. I'm guessing that part of the reason McCain was beaten so brutally while a POW was that from time to time he, a LtCdr when downed, was the ranking individual.

Do you think learning to forgive those who were personally brutal to you would be a excellent experience for a president to have had?

Actually, I am very glad they went over McCain's experience in the POW camp. I had never heard the story told or shown before. If I, a retired soldier, had not seen, then surely many others had also not seen.