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FK: I would still defend Palin against the sexism in the media.

What sexism?

Are you kidding, or just not watching the MSM? They have said that she is not the mother of her own son and that Palin covered up that Bristol is the real mother. They have used the term "beauty queen" to make her look like a lightweight. And, they (and you and others here) have asserted that she is unfit to run for high office because it would make her an unfit mother in your personal judgment, a similar charge having NEVER been levied against a man, EVER! .............. I'm just trying to defend this (apparent) good woman as very likely being the best hope against the country going down the toilet under an Obama administration. How long after election day do you think it would take Stevens to retire if Obama won? I'm talking lives here.

Her judgment and her priorities were questioned based on what became known about her children

That's sexism. Name a man for me that you disqualified for office based on the same thing.

...... and they questioned her patriotism in light of her husband's treasonous membership with the Alaskan Independence Party, and any lack of apology to the nation for such association.

I don't know what you're talking about. That group isn't treasonous because you say it is, and I haven't heard anything about her husband being a member. Regardless if he ever was, the most hateful places in the MSM are not even touching this angle, so what does that tell you? It tells me that you are trying to make something out of nothing. :)

If anyone is using sexism it's the GOP by promoting her as some GOP Xena Doll who has actually come to dominate the whole show since Wednesday.

Gimmee a break, she may be Xena, but she's no doll. She delivered a tremendous speech that us conservatives were hungry for. McCain was underwhelming, but competent. Where's the sexism in that? She delivered and outshined McCain. Even liberals said she gave the better speech, along with conservatives.

Just a reminder: a few months ago, McCain was a dirty word among conservative Republicans. Your own darling Ann Coulter said "McCain nomination would make me a 'Hillary girl"'.

Lest there be no mistake, I am no waterboy for John McCain!!! :) I voted strategically AGAINST HIM in my primary, to no avail, and have been very critical of him on FR. However, these are the cards I have left. If the opponents were Zell Miller and a Zell Miller clone then I would vote for them. Instead, the opponents are the NUMBER 1 MOST LIBERAL SENATOR in the US Senate and the NUMBER 3 MOST LIBERAL SENATOR. That tends to tighten the clothespin around my nose and inspire me to some improvisation. :)

Last night was almost a coronation. How quickly people change their minds! People don't even realize how manipulated they are.

Sure. That's politics! :)

Rush Limbaugh was even more blunt. Commenting on the possibility that Huckabee or McCain getitng the GOP nomination, Rush said ;"it's going to destroy the Republican Party, it's going to change it forever, be the end of it. A lot of people aren't going to vote."

Rush was right that this represents a huge change for conservatives. Even if "we" win we're going to be very unhappy a lot of the time. And, there will be some who vote for Barr rather than McCain. I just pray he was wrong about changing the party forever. :)

And now, a few months later, McCain is a hero of the GOP? Talk about shallow! Some backbone, let alone character...

Nah, not a hero, he's NOT Obama. In all honesty I have to kind of laugh at myself since McCain may be the only (R) who has a whisker's chance of preventing a total socialist from getting in this time around. Among a few other potentially good things, at least McCain should get the financial house in order if elected.

How long after election day do you think it would take Stevens to retire if Obama won? I'm talking lives here.

EXACTLY! And that's one of the most compelling reasons for voting for McCain.

I agree you can cut the sexism with a knife regarding Palin. Even that doofus, Peggy Noonan, couldn't resist getting in her snide jab.

It all goes to show you can't please all the people all of the time.

I think it's momentous for our country that a black man was nominated for President of the United States. But because that man is a socialist, the choice gets clearer every day.

And have we ever had such a pro-life ticket? Most Republican candidates barely give it lip-service. But McCain is no late-comer; he's always been pro-life. And between her own baby with Down Syndrome and her pregnant daughter, who is living life more affirmatively than Sarah Palin?

At the very least, Palin appears to be a person who lives what she says. How rare is that?

Are you kidding, or just not watching the MSM? They have said that she is not the mother of her own son and that Palin covered up that Bristol is the real mother.

I read everyone's sources, and the particular accusation was first published in KOS, which MSN simply carried the way most media carry wire services (AP, Reuters, etc.).

The accusation was by itself not "sexist." It was false, of course, and not in good taste, but it wasn't sexist.

They have used the term "beauty queen" to make her look like a lightweight

Beauty queen is what she was, and being a beauty queen is not sexist. It's actually something a lot of people make a big deal of.

Women who become beauty queens enter the context by their choice. Being a "queen" sort of forces the gender, don't ya think? I mean, a few guys may try to be "queens," but I doubt anyone would take them seriously even in our modern, permissive society. :)

And, they (and you and others here) have asserted that she is unfit to run for high office because it would make her an unfit mother in your personal judgment

I questioned her decisions (risk-taking) with her last child. If she can be so casual about her own child, and put politics first, I think my doubt is well founded.

She is also a hardline Evangelical Christian and I do not trust people who think they are on a misison from God. That is too Mohammedan for me.

She also spouts Christian values and her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant! If she can't instill Christian values in her own family, then all this "hollier-than-though" is a label with no substance.

Many people in this country would still consider what happened to her daughter as scandalous. But the Palins seem to be fine with that. I am not sure America can fully identify with them.

But, all these objections set aside, I based my judgment as a reaction to Karl Rove's conviction that Gov. Kaine of Virginia was unqualified to serve as Vice President even though he was a Governor longer than Palin (twice a long), in a state that has 11 times the population of Alaska, and was a mayor of a city that has one third the population of Alaska, and 21 times the population of Wasilla, AK.

Obviously Gov. Kaine's level of executive difficulty leaves Gov. Palin way behind, yet Rove was absolutely adamant Kaine wasn't qualified!

When I showed you Karl Rove's idiotic conclusion all you could say was "you don't expect him to be objective, do you?" No I don't. But you seem to expect everyone else to be objective with Gov. Palin?!? Is that sexism in reverse or just lack of any objectivity?

Try using the same yardstick for a change. It goes a long way in showing that you are interested in truth and not partisan politics.

a similar charge having NEVER been levied against a man, EVER

If you replaced man in the story of Gov. Palin I would have expressed the same doubt in his judgment as well for all the reasons listed above.

That's sexism. Name a man for me that you disqualified for office based on the same thing

I can't, because no man to my knowledge has a broken water and risked infection to deliver the speech instead of going to the hospital, as the specialists recommend, let alone take a roundabout way to deliver in Alaska because you don't want your "Alaskan fisherman" to be a "Texan!" (I am assuming you have done your research and are familiar with what I am referring to)

I'm just trying to defend this (apparent) good woman as very likely being the best hope against the country going down the toilet under an Obama administration

You re assuming that she is good and the other side is bad. So far I have not seen anything concrete to back up your assumptions. You have not quoted one source, just your opinions.

The worst thing is that the press will not go away. Sarah Palin needs the press on her side rather than antagonize the press. Of course, the McCain staff will not let her say anything to the press for a good reason. Even a day after the GOP Convention, she was (repeating) the same prewritten one-liners from Wednesday. That's like a comedian telling the same jokes over and over.

It appears that she cannot or will not say anything that is not scripted. That doesn't inspire much confidence in reasonable people.

How long after election day do you think it would take Stevens to retire if Obama won? I'm talking lives here

Who is Stevens?

That group [Alaskan Independence Party] isn't treasonous because you say it is, and I haven't heard anything about her husband being a member.

Regardless if he ever was, the most hateful places in the MSM are not even touching this angle, so what does that tell you? It tells me that you are trying to make something out of nothing

Mission statement of Alaskan Independence Party founder, Joe Volger:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American...I've got no use for America or her damned institutions. The fires of hell are glaciers compared to my hate for America and her government."

I guess that's nothing...

That same Joe Vogler (in 1990) published the following picture to represent the relationship between the US and Alaska)

It shows the US as a huge snake swallowing Alaska. I guess that's nothing to you as well. Not only that, I am making it up, right?

That this party has not morphed into something "less" anti-American, and that it's goal is Independence is obvious from the Party's Goal statement (my emphasis):

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler."

The Party was founded as an Anti-American party and it remains true to its founder to this very day.

So far you have given me nothing but fluff [I can't compete with you there, I am not a lawyer :)]. You have not posted a single reference to support your claims. It's all touchy-feely.

Neither the McCain camp nor Mr. Palin nor his wife are making any attempts to deny Todd Palin's membership in the AIP. They are hoping the issue will go away given the public's short attention span.

The Republican Party is out of step with reality. It has closed ranks around what most people call "fly over areas" where people still hunt for food, where family trees don't have too many branches and where religion and guns are all they have.

To that, add the lingering remnant of the Great Generation that has no other place to go.

The Republican Party Convention had a total of 36 black delegates, or 1.5% of the total delegate count. If the Democrats are being accused of "sexim" I think the Republicans deserve to be accused of "racism."

But I agree with Rush (on this issue), although he probably retracted his prediction, or forgot all about it. The Republican Party was never defined by men like John McCain, NEVER! His service is appreciated, but one of the greatest icons of the Republican Party, Ronald Reagan never served and he was a very effective president.

John F. Kennedy was never a governor. To the best of my knowledge he wasn't even a mayor. And George Washington was a general, like Ike Eisenhower, and they both did just fine without gubernatorial expedience. McCain was merely a squadron commander after his release.

Now, the Party is dominated by neocons who were not even Republicans before they decided to switch loyalties, by RINOs, and by various nontraditional groups. They all seem to be united, however, in their racially almost pure makeup (98.5% non-black delegate makeup).

But the reality is that America is not 98.5% non-black. I think it's safe to say that the GOP is now a liberal organization that is out of touch with America's reality trying to cut ties to anything G. W. Bush did in the past 8 years, while clinging to guns and religion, in my opinion. And I think this (retrograde) change is permanent, just as Rush suggested.

In all honesty I have to kind of laugh at myself since McCain may be the only (R) who has a whisker's chance of preventing a total socialist from getting in this time around.

If Obama wins, thank G. W. Bush.

Among a few other potentially good things, at least McCain should get the financial house in order if elected.

How so? The man doesn't even know how many houses he owns, or which car does he own.