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Do subatomic particles have free will?
Science News ^ | 8/15/08 | Julie Rehmeyer

Posted on 08/16/2008 6:40:10 PM PDT by LibWhacker

If we have free will, so do subatomic particles, mathematicians claim to prove.

“If the atoms never swerve so as to originate some new movement that will snap the bonds of fate, the everlasting sequence of cause and effect—what is the source of the free will possessed by living things throughout the earth?”—Titus Lucretius Carus, Roman philosopher and poet, 99–55 BC.

Human free will might seem like the squishiest of philosophical subjects, way beyond the realm of mathematical demonstration. But two highly regarded Princeton mathematicians, John Conway and Simon Kochen, claim to have proven that if humans have even the tiniest amount of free will, then atoms themselves must also behave unpredictably.

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TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atomicsubmarines; free; freewill; godsgravesglyphs; particles; physics; science; stringtheory; subatomic; will
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1 posted on 08/16/2008 6:40:11 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
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2 posted on 08/16/2008 6:45:02 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: LibWhacker

This inevitbly leads to the question: Are there good atoms and bad atoms?


3 posted on 08/16/2008 6:45:50 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: LibWhacker

Does the rock have free will?


4 posted on 08/16/2008 6:46:58 PM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: LibWhacker

My cousin’s sister dated a sub atomic particle.


5 posted on 08/16/2008 6:47:46 PM PDT by Krankor (N)
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To: Ancient Drive

> Does the rock have free will?

This issue was addressed by the late, great Evan Harris Walker, in the Noetic Journal, if I recall.


6 posted on 08/16/2008 6:48:53 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: LibWhacker

A rock and a rock solid thought .......hmmmm.


7 posted on 08/16/2008 6:51:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
This inevitbly leads to the question: Are there good atoms and bad atoms?

Bad atoms tend to gravitate towards a single bad nucleus; these bad atoms expect their nucleus to generally travel across water molecules. There is a consensus of scientists that believe we should all follow these atoms and their nucleus, and agree that this is settled science.

Good atoms are in somewhat disarray, although expect them to somewhat coalesce to follow a decent good nucleus... if this happens, especially in the next few months, the good atoms will outnumber the bad atoms, and the world will be a better place.

8 posted on 08/16/2008 6:54:02 PM PDT by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Someone's already got an Internet cartoon series about good and bad atoms.

Bad Atom

Good Atom


9 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:28 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: LibWhacker

Not if Pelosi, Ried and their socialists cohorts have their way.


10 posted on 08/16/2008 7:15:44 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Allan

fyi


11 posted on 08/16/2008 7:38:13 PM PDT by ARridgerunner
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To: LibWhacker

Only if they’re conservative Republicans.


12 posted on 08/16/2008 7:40:22 PM PDT by garyhope (It's world war IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam. VRWC. TWP.)
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To: LibWhacker
Does i come before e even after t if it wants too?

Scientist watch to see if it will come after e even without the t for proof.

13 posted on 08/16/2008 7:43:12 PM PDT by DainBramage
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This is very much along the same line of the experiments based on two “entangled” spin 1/2 particles with net spin of 0. An application of Bell’s Theorem shows that the quantum rules, which are consistent with observed behavior, are inconsistent with any predetermined values such as described in the current article.

In the spin 1/2 case, the observation of the spin orientation along any axis are always opposite for the two particles, but the observations along perpendicular axes are uncorrelated. These observations could be produced by predetermined, but uncorrelated, sets of values for the observations. The paradox occurs because the spin observations along a third axis at 45 degrees to the other two are highly correlated with both, and Bell’s Theorem ( which is based on a simple statistical argument ) shows that this is impossible with any sequence of predetermined values for all three measurements.

I’m sure there’s some sort of difference in this new work, but I certainly don’t understand why the extensive discussion based on spin 1/2, dating back to the 1970’s, is not even mentioned.


14 posted on 08/16/2008 8:24:38 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: LibWhacker

Those researchers invested in the field known as the Experimental Analysis of Behavior (Skinnerians to the laity) believe that all behavior is determined by the environment and, thus, no free will.


15 posted on 08/16/2008 9:34:34 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: DainBramage

Sorry , I don’t believe in “Peak Atoms”.


16 posted on 08/16/2008 9:36:54 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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John Conway and Simon Kochen, "The Strong Free Will Theorem" [Abstract, PDF]
17 posted on 08/16/2008 9:37:34 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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The answer
18 posted on 08/16/2008 9:40:44 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: LibWhacker

Only if they have read a copy of “The Purpose Driven Neutron.”


19 posted on 08/16/2008 9:54:37 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve--and they are about to get it --in spades.)
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To: LibWhacker

I recently finished “A Short History of Nearly Everything” by Bill Bryson. I would recommend it to anyone interested in the origins of life and the history of the universe.


20 posted on 08/16/2008 10:00:36 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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