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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: Kimberly GG
...“they’re just trying to feed their families” types.

There is a massive difference between voluntarily giving of yourself to help out folks down on their luck or trying to get a leg up in this world and forcing people to do so.

The former is what is morally right; the latter is morally wrong, and it is what lords, kings, and rulers like Obama and McCain want us to do, all the while using our money to buy votes to prop their power up, and of course, justifying their actions through pretty words like "justice" and guilt tripping citizens and taxpayers by talking about "God's children."

221 posted on 08/16/2008 4:27:02 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Guenevere

Musical group is on their website now singing about ragdolls and puppies and calling it Gospel music.


222 posted on 08/16/2008 4:30:52 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: Guenevere

Sorry all....won’t be able to stomach Warren’s little soapbox afterall.

He’s not going to hold their feet to the fire.
____________________________________

No probably not..

But I will be ODed on popcorn ..

And have quite a nice sugar buzz from REAL Coke

(Coca Cola, that is)

And if it is longer than I can stay awake...

I’ll sleep through it like a Babe...

Bring on the dancing boys...

I’ve got the C-Span stream warmed up ...

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx


223 posted on 08/16/2008 4:31:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Guenevere
The media expects this to be a religious forum, as do the far left and the Christian right.

It won't be. There will be morality questions, but they are framed to stay away from the hot buttons.

I think what will occur is that we will see and hear questions and answers that you will never see at a political debate, and these questions may reveal the candidates depth of character in a way never seen before, and that is why I plan to watch the show.

If I want religion, I'll watch the debates to come. This should have some good stuff, and I plan to tune out the fact that it's a church group.

224 posted on 08/16/2008 4:33:09 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Soetoro???? Who is Barry Soetoro? Bwahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: Always Right; Alex Murphy

**Is this Rick Warren fellow a conservative or lib?
He is pro-abortion and pro-gay rights....McCain is gonna get ambushed.**

How can Rick Warren claim to be a Christian then? I am really puzzled by this post.


225 posted on 08/16/2008 4:33:34 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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This is likely to be an obama benefit....


226 posted on 08/16/2008 4:33:43 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Fire mission!)
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To: clintonh8r

I agree.......... Barry would not have accepted to do this unless it was skewed in his favor.


227 posted on 08/16/2008 4:35:13 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Stay Away FAY!)
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To: del4hope

Hey friend!!! You’re right in your tag line!

How have you been? ;-)


228 posted on 08/16/2008 4:35:53 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: XR7

AKA as the “Pandering for the Christian Vote” event.

It doens’t work for me!

They are neither one men of God as our current president is.

This is cunningly staged, but not from their hearts.


229 posted on 08/16/2008 4:37:16 PM PDT by luvie (Hussein Obama=Change: HIGHER taxes, MORE entitlements, FEWER freedoms, LESS oil for America!!)
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To: Son House
Napoleon Obama arrives in Long Beach today:


230 posted on 08/16/2008 4:37:53 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (And I DON'T want to have to change my name to They'reBack2008!)
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To: They'reGone2000

Sporting a golden tan from Hawaii. Oh, wait....


231 posted on 08/16/2008 4:39:01 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Fire mission!)
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

Rick is a globalist. The folks he hobknobs with should raise anyone’s eyebrows.


232 posted on 08/16/2008 4:39:51 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: clintonh8r
This is likely to be an obama benefit....

I think so too. I don't trust Rick Warren.

233 posted on 08/16/2008 4:40:33 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: tiredoflaundry

Hey TOL, anyone keeping score how many aaas & ums Barry will say


234 posted on 08/16/2008 4:42:01 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: highlander_UW; padre35
I can’t watch this bilge, it is a bit like having a debate in Mr. Rogers as the moderator..bleeech.

Trust me - if I were the moderator, both Obama and McCain would be sweating bullets.

235 posted on 08/16/2008 4:44:03 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (McCain - the Lite Liberal)
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To: Salvation
My sense is that Rick Warren is one of those guys who is "personally" opposed to abortion and homosexual marraige but he doesn't preach against either from the pulpit. Instead he embraces some new age ethics such as protecting Gaia from Global Warming. Unfortuantely he will have two men on the stage tonight who are just as ignorant as he is about the science he will question them on.

Big loser tonight is probabaly Warren unless he makes it clear that the murder of innocent babies is a greater crime than driving an SUV.

236 posted on 08/16/2008 4:45:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Obama (Marxist), Manchuria)
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To: Always Right

No Christian can be pro abortion


237 posted on 08/16/2008 4:46:09 PM PDT by omega4179 (B.Hussein Keep the change!)
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To: Mr Rogers

This isn’t a debate, just two separate interviews.


238 posted on 08/16/2008 4:48:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: tiredoflaundry

I’m not sure I can stand watching this...we’ll see.

Meanwhile- I checked batteries and supplies in case Faye comes our way..you ready?


239 posted on 08/16/2008 4:48:20 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Thanks. FNC’s Julie Banderas has been Obama pandering for the last half hour.


240 posted on 08/16/2008 4:49:02 PM PDT by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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