Posted on 08/01/2008 7:15:03 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
Didja year about this one? Some maniac with a huge knife beheaded a man on a Greyhound bus in Canada. If you want a description of what happened, you can click here.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/global-video/index.html?video=2805319
When the attack occurred the other passengers abandoned ship. Hard to blame them. Who wants to rush this maniac with a knife when everyone can get away? I do have a question though. What if someone – just one person on that bus – had a concealed carry permit and was carrying a gun. How would things have been different?
There's a problem though. This is Canada. No guns. No carry permits. No way to save this victim.
Oh well.
Same here!
Everyone wants to think this guy is a Muslim?
Oh FGS, this horrible thing could have happened anywhere.
“Everyone wants to think this guy is a Muslim?”
It was an easy assumption to make prior to the release of the killer’s name.
And as it turns out - a wrong assumption.
When an article from Canada describes a beheading with a knife, and then fails to describe the killer - it is an understandable mistake when people might think Islam is a factor.
“A gun would have made no difference. I’ve seen several the interviews with passengers. The guy sitting in the seat in front of the victim, who yelled for everyone to get off the bus, said that the victim had been stabbed 50 to 60 times (and had his throat slashed) by the time he realized what was going on.”
The man sitting in front of them probably saved several lives by getting everyone out of there.
It sounds like this maniac was capable of an incredible amount of violence in a short amount of time.
It is amazing he didn’t manage to turn the knife on others.
The comment and criticism is that a free people have the right to self defense from individual predators and nutcases, and from governments gone awry. The latter is the most dangerous, as events of the 20th Century proved. See here for quantification:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
Protection from both types of threats requires firearms.
"A police officer at the scene of a grisly beheading on a Canadian bus reported seeing the attacker hacking off pieces of the victim's body and eating them, according to a police tape leaked on the Internet Saturday.
In the tape of radio transmissions, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer refers to the attacker as "Badger" and says he is armed with a knife and scissors and is "defiling the body at the front of the bus as we speak."
On the tape, which lasts about 80 seconds, officers continue to detail the attacker's movements until one reports, "Badger's at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it."
I know Bahbah.
:-]
You are misinformed. Those shootings took place at "Gun Free School Zones." Unfortunately the "Gun Free School Zone" signs were obviously defective. Otherwise, the murderers would not have been able to bring guns into the "Gun Free School Zone."
There have been shootings in other areas, such as shopping malls. Those areas were also designated "Gun Free."
I'll leave you with two more thoughts.
First: in the U.S., the concept of government is, that it is there to serve the citizen. The citizens own the government, the government is not supposed to own, or "take care of" the people. In fact, our nations founders stated that, should a government become tyrannical, the duty of people is to take up arms against it.
Second: studies prove that an armed society is a polite society. Look at American Cities. Those with relaxed gun laws have far less crime than cities with restrictive gun laws. Every time guns have been restricted, crime has increased. Every time gun laws have been relaxed, crime has plummeted.
Thugs are afraid of getting hurt. They usually target the weak and helpless.
Have you been around guns much? If not then the unfamiliarity can cause confusion. Here in my home they are as common as the can opener. I am rarely more than ten foot from a firearm. They are all kept clean, loaded and ready for use.
In other words, it would be stranger if they were not obvious rather than the opposite. My wife and I both conceal carry and my now grown children are proficient in their use.
If you spent some time in this environment you would understand why we never go on killing sprees any more than we go on can opening sprees.
The myths implanted by those that fear a firearm versus see it as a social construction tool it is are just that. Yes a firearm kills as does a knife , a tire iron, a cricket bat, a lawn dart, or a sledge hammer etc.......
They are just tools.
They save many more lives than they take. I have carried a handgun in some form or manner since I was a teen. Mindset is key as I do not go armed where I wouldn’t go unarmed. I take the responsibility for myself, my family, friends and community seriously. As a retired serviceman and former sheriffs deputy I know what the police are capable of and what they do more than many of their other duties. They clean up crime scenes, they are an after the fact response unless they were on the scene and happened to get unlucky enough to be directly involved.
There is a reason they wear a uniform as well........mere presence is in 99% of the time a deterrent to criminal activity.
That has played out as well with our nations recent surge in concealed carry laws for most states. Crimes against persons have dropped as crimes against property have risen. The mere thought that granny or her granddaughter could be armed IS a deterrent. The CHL/CCW laws drove crimes against persons DOWN ! Regardless if they chose to carry a firearm or not. It serves a purpose for all . Not just the pro 2nd amendment people but the anti 2nd socialists who’s real effort is to undermine our constitution versus make the common persons lives safer.
Humans with firearms do far more good than evil. Soldiers and LEO’s don’t arm themselves to go on a killing spree no more than law abiding citizens do.
Laws are only respected by those that are hurt by them in the long run.
Criminals ‘are’ by definition and experience those that ignore the laws. Thus any law that keeps a firearm from the criminal or average citizen for self defense is taking that self defense ability from that tax paying, law abiding person.
As the criminal element totally ignores the law........gun control hurts who ?
Stay safe and be a sheepdog versus just sheep waiting for the slaughter........woof !
Hah !....easy to say with twist off caps and pony kegs !
It’s also POSSIBLE that only one person, but a different person, would have died.
And THAT is why it is important that all law abiding citizens be allowed to carry their own means of self defense.
You wrote: “...think of the tragedies that happened at U.S. high schools in recent years. They surely are linked to that right to bear arms.”
Every single one of those murderous rampages occurred in areas defined as Gun Free Zones (more accurately known to sane individuals as “Target Rich Environments”), in which law abiding citizens are NOT allowed to carry weapons; in other words, where their right to bear aram IS infringed.
So, please explain how these “tragedies” are “linked” to the right to bear arms. It seems to me they are actually linked to the government INFRINGING on that right.
Hiya Wayne -
tks for posting. I did write three (make that four) posts in the meantime explaining that I lacked insight enough. Please read these and then you’ll see that I learned something in the interim.
Regards, A13.
Got it.
Thanks.
I should have “followed the thread” before posting!
Cheers for the nice words from Holland!
Enjoy the day,
A13.
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