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U. S. Grapples With Misuse Of Personal Tasers
National Post [Canada] ^ | Tuesday, May 20, 2008 | Mary Vallis

Posted on 05/27/2008 6:32:28 PM PDT by canuck_conservative

In a modern-day duel, a restaurant owner and a Colorado security guard simultaneously drew their stun guns and simultaneously zapped each other during a weekend spat over an illegally parked van.

The incident is raising questions over whether private citizens should be allowed to buy stun guns to protect themselves.

The fight began on Saturday night when Harvey Epstein confronted two private security guards for clamping a metal boot on a company van parked outside his Mexican restaurant in Boulder, Colo. The situation escalated when Mr. Epstein putted out a pair of bolt cutters in an apparent attempt to remove the boot.

The security officer said Mr. Epstein threatened him with the tool. Mr. Epstein, for his part, alleges the security guard pointed a stun gun at his mother's face.

"I immediately responded with my personal Taser," Mr. Epstein told a local newspaper, the Daily Camera. "And we shot each other at the same moment."

While stun guns are prohibited weapons in Canada, American citizens may legally use them in most states, including Colorado. Taser International, the world's largest stun gun maker, sells them to consumers as personal security devices, including a model with headphones and a built-in MP3 player, offering Americans "both security and music while on the go." Some are small enough to fit in a purse and are available in both metallic pink and leopard print (the latter is marketed as "fashion with a bite").

Taser International received a round of publicity earlier this year, when an Arizona woman began holding "Taser parties" to sell the devices to women, Tupperware-party style. The company suggests that when used in self-defence, the victim run away and abandon the device while it delivers a 30-second blast of energy to the attacker (it offers a replacement Taser free of charge).

Police groups and Amnesty International have expressed concern that the personal devices could wind up in the wrong hands.

"This incident raises the question of who exactly is getting the personal Taser and how it's being used, and misused," said Dalia Hashad of Amnesty International USA. The group is not particularly concerned about women buying them for personal protection, but rather who is acquiring them with ulterior motives. The devices can be used in domestic disputes, or to attack and disable women from up to 4.5 metres away so they can be abducted or raped, Ms. Hashad said.

The way consumer models are being marketed encourages people to think of hem as toys or accessories, rather than as serious weapons, she added.

The issue was also raised during the last national conference of the Fraternal Order of Police, the largest law-enforcement labour union in the United States.

"There is an apprehension among some of our members that they could be used as offensive weapons against police officers," said Jim Pasco, the group's Washington-based executive director. "Once you've Tasered a police officer, you can get his gun. Then the problem becomes even worse."

Mr. Epstein, who was arrested for felony menacing and using a stun gun during the commission of a crime, said he carries a personal Taser because he handles "large amounts of cash" and escorts employees to their cars late at night.

Neither Mr. Epstein nor the security guard required medical treatment after their jolts. Pat Wyton, a Boulder police sergeant, labelled the incident a "bonehead deal."

He said it is "a little concerning" that Tasers are available to the public, but stressed officers must be prepared for anything.

"We have to be aware of what's out there that can hurt us, whether it's a Taser, or a knife, or a rock," Sgt. Wyton said.

mvallis@nationalpost.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; donutwatch; duels; highnoon; stunguns; tasers
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1 posted on 05/27/2008 6:32:29 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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Taser International pink and leopard-print stun guns are displayed at this year's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Americans can legally use the devices in most states.


2 posted on 05/27/2008 6:34:33 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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Are we having fun yet?

That "Don't Taze Me Bro!" T-Shirt is selling like hotcakes!

3 posted on 05/27/2008 6:34:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (De-Globalize yourself !)
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Oh yeah, that's great. Just great. Cop victim groups and communist groups think tasers might be used against women or cops. They don't think the public should be allowed to own non-lethal stun guns.

So what's next, cop victims and communists? Maybe we should ban men from testifying in court, because they might speak against someone in an interest group? Because they might rape someone, no matter whether they have done so, or because cops are somehow "outgunned"?

The natural law remains the same. Don't rape or kill or rob and you will be OK. If you do, you may be killed or tasered. Molon labe.

4 posted on 05/27/2008 6:39:52 PM PDT by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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"This incident raises the question of who exactly is getting the personal Taser and how it's being used, and misused," said Dalia Hashad of Amnesty International USA. The group is not particularly concerned about women buying them for personal protection, but rather who is acquiring them with ulterior motives. The devices can be used in domestic disputes, or to attack and disable women from up to 4.5 metres away so they can be abducted or raped, Ms. Hashad said.

How many bodyguards do you have ,you elitist snob?

5 posted on 05/27/2008 6:42:35 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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One incident between two jerks and U. S. Grapples With Misuse Of Personal Tasers.
6 posted on 05/27/2008 6:43:39 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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I dismantled mine and used it for the igniter in my
3.5in. Spudzooka, never fails to go off now.

Improvise, adapt, overcome.
Ooooorah.


7 posted on 05/27/2008 6:46:27 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Par for the course.....a couple skinny polar bears and they’re ready to mothball the internal compustion engine.


8 posted on 05/27/2008 6:48:39 PM PDT by baclava
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Still a giggle !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ndctwAJmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE


9 posted on 05/27/2008 6:52:37 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: canuck_conservative

More liberal hysteria, hype and lust to take away every right you have to protect yourself against everything from felonious criminals to oppressive government. Welcome to socialism — the removal of all rights within the people, because RIGHTS REPRESENT POWER and people are not allowed to have POWER under a socialist regime.

The DemonRat party manual: The Communist Manifesto.


10 posted on 05/27/2008 6:53:37 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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Ya, I know what you’re saying, but this could be bigger in the near future. When they’re equipped with an MP3 player and come in a tiger-skin print, people won’t think of them as lethal and thus will have less reluctance to use them - ergo more incidents.

You don’t see a Glock or a Magnum in a tigerskin print.


11 posted on 05/27/2008 6:53:46 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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Dalia Hashad? Is she a member of TROP?


12 posted on 05/27/2008 6:54:56 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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Tomorrow the drumbeat will start from different papers around the country. Next week serious people with the ability to make serious faces will be nodding to each other on CNN, Fox and the rest.

"It's an epidemic that endangers us all. This crisis will be met with appropriate legislation."

I better buy my wife two or three before it's too late.

13 posted on 05/27/2008 6:58:20 PM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: canuck_conservative

Why shouldn’t private citizens own them? The police all say that they are harmless.


14 posted on 05/27/2008 7:12:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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"The devices can be used in domestic disputes, or to attack and disable women from up to 4.5 metres away so they can be abducted or raped"

So can a rock.

15 posted on 05/27/2008 7:17:03 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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The group is not particularly concerned about women buying them for personal protection, but rather who is acquiring them with ulterior motives. The devices can be used in domestic disputes, or to attack and disable women from up to 4.5 metres away so they can be abducted or raped, Ms. Hashad said.

About 20 years ago Washington DC banned Mace/Pepper Spray because it was used in a few muggings.

The bad guys quickly adapted, learning that the cute little baby cans of EZ-OFF oven cleaner worked just as well when it came to disabling a potential victim in order to snatch their purse or wallet. Sucked worse than Mace/Pepper Spray for the victims, however, as they were the ones stuck with major chemical burns to the face and permanent blindness.

The ban only lasted a few years, it was actually quite surprising for the DC City Council to realize just how wrong they'd gotten it.
16 posted on 05/27/2008 7:19:37 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: sheik yerbouty; Charlespg
She has an "interesting" bio...

"Dalia Hashad is Amnesty International’s Director of the USA Program focusing on Domestic Human Rights. She works on a wide variety of issues including the War on Terror, Prison Conditions and Police Misconduct. Previously, Dalia was an Attorney Advocate for the ACLU focusing on civil liberties and human rights abuses post-9/11. Dalia has also worked in the Occupied Palestinian Territories as a human rights legal advisor."


17 posted on 05/27/2008 7:21:43 PM PDT by indcons (Back on FR after the long weekend - will respond to pings and FReepmails. Apologies for the delay.)
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You don’t see a Glock or a Magnum in a tigerskin print.

I wouldn't be to sure of that. I have seen them in every color under the sun including one looked like it had been tie dyed.

18 posted on 05/27/2008 7:22:47 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: tet68

Cool!
I love potato guns.


19 posted on 05/27/2008 7:27:53 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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We take our firearms seriously around here, pardner.

Uh...mostly seriously.

Never mind.

20 posted on 05/27/2008 7:32:29 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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