Serious Question for Ardent FR McCain Detractors

FR | 5-15-08 | Bob J

[Bob J]

This is a serious question and I respectfully ask for serious, thoughtful responses from the most ardent McCain detractors and not the casually disgusted. If you are only casually disgusted, please refrain from mucking up the thread and allow only the truly bulemic to air their rationale.

I am not a McCain supporter, never have been probably never will be. That he will be the eventual GOP nominee is all but assured and that I might find I must vote for him if only to counter an Obama or Clinton administration, well, that's my decision and one I hope you will respect as much as you ask others to respect your decision to not vote for the man.

But I have one question for which I cannot find an answer. I understand your disdain for the man. His past actions and his present positions on some issues, immigration and globull warming being chief among them, speak for themselves and anyone who cannot bring themselves to vote for him based on these and other ideological reasons is completely understood and defensable.

But what I cannot fathom is the intensity with which you endeavor to get others to not vote for him. I can't see the logic in it as allowing an Obama/Clinton win would inevitably usher in much more caustic era for conservatives considering the dem will have majorities in both the House and Senate on which to reek havoc on sacred conservative principles.

I know some are going to say we need a dem/liberal administration so they can screw things up so much that America will be screaming for a conservative to fix things. If so, please explain how this is going to happen because I for one do not believe it and the disaster a dem oval office, with congress in tow, could do in four or eight years that if a conservative could get elected again in '12 or '16 it might take 20 years just to undo the carnage, not to mention the 3 SC justices they might be seating. With a dem dominated Senate you can be assured that they will excercize the opportunity to dominate the most radical left wing socialists they can possibly muster...and they will be successful in seating them.

Please, leave the sound bites and jingoisms at the door. Only well thought out and supported positions need apply.

[Mrs_Stokke]

For some unfathomable reason, Americans feel the need to elect a socialist numbskull every twenty-five years (give or take a cycle). Bill Clinton wasn't bad enough. We need another Jimmy Carter. Obama fits that bill, with his committed Marxist of a wife, and the media is determined to have them.

If McCain should win, the situation wouldn't be much better. McCain has demonstrated his need for approval from the elitists in the media, and would continue to court them throughout his presidency. Like Nixon, he would give the media whatever it demanded, then be shocked and horrified when they turned on him and demanded his impeachment.

McCain would be the perfect Republican president for the democrats -- he's more egotistical and paranoid than Nixon was, and would charge into impeachment hearings with guns blazing. This would give the media yet more ammunition to use against Republicans in the future.

A McCain presidency would assure the destruction of the Republican Party once and for all. After selling out the last of our principles to appease the press, he would fall blindly into whatever trap they set. Can you imagine what that famous McCain temper will look like splashed across the front of the NYTimes day after day after day, and showing up on Meet the Press every Sunday?

Fortunately, we'll never find out. Obama will be the next president, he'll be a one-term wonder, and we can get on to the business of repairing the damage done.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Defeat liberalism wherever you find it.Starting with rinos would be a damn fine idea.

[Perchant]

If McCain wins then conservatives no longer have a party. If a Democrat wins, conservatives will be able to fight Democrats instead of Republicans and they will feel that they still are represented by a political party.

It really does boil down to that. If you are represented, you at least have a possible future and a reason to keep fighting.

Think about that.

[Antoninus]

But what I cannot fathom is the intensity with which you endeavor to get others to not vote for him.

You've put your finger on something there. As far as I'm concerned, McCain doesn't deserve my support. However, I'm not naive enough to think that anyone but he or Barry O will be elected president. Convincing people not to vote for McCain will help ensure that Barry O is elected.

I won't be party to that. And while you won't catch me out there singing McCain's praises, I also won't work against him.

As much as I dislike the man, I'll be voting for him for two reasons:

1.) The US military.

2.) This...

[JRios1968]

Please, leave the sound bites and jingoisms at the door.

Well, there goes half the fun...

[NormsRevenge]

Why are so many trying to get OTHERS not to vote for McCain?
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I think you meant to say

Why is McCain trying so hard to get ALL Conservatives not to vote for him?

Is that party loyalty? The man is a runaway locomotive and seems to pride himself on being so... just make sure you stay off his track. He really believes he is entitled to the nomination after getting bounced in 2000. No wonder he is so close to Hillary and speaks of her as he does.

[buccaneer81]

Unfortunate that most of them are products of public education.

Yep, I'll bet at least half of the under 30 crowd, who have attended college, feel it would be racist to not vote for B. Hussein Osama.

[HAL9000]

This “Let-Obama-win-so-he-can-wreck-the-country” strategy is just plain dumb. I think most people will figure that out by election day, and many of the people who are swearing “I’ll never vote for McCain” today will be voting for McCain in November. They will do it to prevent the disaster of Obama as Commander-in-Chief, to maintain our positions in Iraq and Afghanistan, to keep the pressure on Iran, and on several other policy issues where President Obama would be the ultimate disaster.

[Keyes2000mt]

I question the premise of the question. I've seen very few people saying, "Don't Vote McCain." I see a lot of people explaining why they're not going to support McCain.

I think you may quite a few assumptions about what an Obama administration could get done. If Democrats are going, they're going to have to win with Blue Dogs, so they'll have limited success in that area.

Speculating on the number of Supreme Court Justices that will be appointed is silly. If we believed every pre-election estimate of the number of judges that will be appointed, we would have appointed 9 justices in the last 3 Presidential terms. Also, I think McCain is the first "lesser of two evils" candidates the GOP has had since 1976, but Nixon was pretty much that in '68 and '72. Republicans worked their heart for Nixon and he gave us Lewis Powell, Warren Burger, Harry Blackmunn, and his successor gave us John Paul Stevens. Those are the type of judges I'd expect from McCain.

[Dat]

The problem is it never swings back this way as far as it swings the other way. Look at what the New Deal and Great Society did.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

Concise summary, thank you!

[Antoninus]

What people like me will not be able to forget is that when the Able Danger team was under assault from the left and Congressman Curt Weldon put his career and reputation on the line to defend them - McCain was silent.

And they got Curt, didn't they? The day Weldon's October Surprise story broke, I knew we were in for a very, very bad November in 2006. People from within the administration were cutting the political legs out from under some of our best guys.

History will see G. W. Bush's administration as a disaster for conservatism.

[buccaneer81]

We need another Jimmy Carter.

NO, we don't. I don't see another Reagan on the horizon for the remainder of the first quarter of the 21st century. Do you?

[Keyes2000mt]

But what happens to the GOP under McCain in Congress. The Republicans will hemorrage seats all the way through. The reason we got the Great Society was the Eisenhower Years weakened Congressional Republicans to a point of superfluity. Eventually, Republicans will have to swallow a Democratic president. He won’t be any better than Obama and Republicans will be even weaker facing a Democratic President in 2012 or 2016.

[CindyDawg]

What about the seriously disgusted? Can we post too?

[FreeReign]

2. The pendulum always swings back. That's not an irrational assumption. It always happens

You do realize that the average of two pendulum swings is -- right down the middle, right?

[the anti-liberal]

That woman is on his economic advisory team!?

OMG!

What Arab Civilization?

(letter sent to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech given by her on September 26, 2001.)

[Biblebelter]

But what I cannot fathom is the intensity with which you endeavor to get others to not vote for him

I DON'T CARE who anyone votes for. America is a free country and we have a SECRET BALLOT. What I cannot fathom is all the handwringing, cry baby, whining, GOP TOADIES telling me I MUST vote for the RINO relic or I am akin to some kind of TRAITOR. I have choices, I can vote the anti-war Democrat in Barry or I can vote for the pro-war Democrat in the Keating Five Guy or I can choose not to vote for the Presidency. I think the old geezer has a chance without my vote. I keep saying he should select Loserman as his VP because there is NO conservative on the American political scene that he could select that would get my vote. The facts are clear, the general election in November is a extended Democat primary run-off between the traditional Democrat Party and the pro-war, social issues posturing, Teddy Kennedy amnesty wing of the RINO Party.

[Apercu]

“We conservatives will not Vote for McCain no matter what.
Who comes on this forum and pre-qualifies their prerequisites of other people's answers?”

That is what you just did - who says you - “we” - speak for all conservatives? A little presumptuous on your part maybe?