Posted on 05/15/2008 9:02:18 PM PDT by Bob J
This is a serious question and I respectfully ask for serious, thoughtful responses from the most ardent McCain detractors and not the casually disgusted. If you are only casually disgusted, please refrain from mucking up the thread and allow only the truly bulemic to air their rationale.
I am not a McCain supporter, never have been probably never will be. That he will be the eventual GOP nominee is all but assured and that I might find I must vote for him if only to counter an Obama or Clinton administration, well, that's my decision and one I hope you will respect as much as you ask others to respect your decision to not vote for the man.
But I have one question for which I cannot find an answer. I understand your disdain for the man. His past actions and his present positions on some issues, immigration and globull warming being chief among them, speak for themselves and anyone who cannot bring themselves to vote for him based on these and other ideological reasons is completely understood and defensable.
But what I cannot fathom is the intensity with which you endeavor to get others to not vote for him. I can't see the logic in it as allowing an Obama/Clinton win would inevitably usher in much more caustic era for conservatives considering the dem will have majorities in both the House and Senate on which to reek havoc on sacred conservative principles.
I know some are going to say we need a dem/liberal administration so they can screw things up so much that America will be screaming for a conservative to fix things. If so, please explain how this is going to happen because I for one do not believe it and the disaster a dem oval office, with congress in tow, could do in four or eight years that if a conservative could get elected again in '12 or '16 it might take 20 years just to undo the carnage, not to mention the 3 SC justices they might be seating. With a dem dominated Senate you can be assured that they will excercize the opportunity to dominate the most radical left wing socialists they can possibly muster...and they will be successful in seating them.
Please, leave the sound bites and jingoisms at the door. Only well thought out and supported positions need apply.
It wouldn't be FR then, would it?
Were you actually going to pose a question?
Good one.
But what I cannot fathom is the intensity with which you endeavor to get others to not vote for him.
You just answered your own question.
However, I think he will be a disastrous President. Here's why:
If Obama somehow gets elected (and I doubt he will), he will be a terrible President for four, of if not for four, then eight years. But the pendulum will swing back and we'll eventually elect a conservative.
We elected Bush (who we at least thought was conservative) after 8 years of Clinton and the country didn't collapse.
However, a McCain Presidency will shift the country firmly -- and I fear permanently -- to the Left. When the pendulum swings back to the Dems, they'll pull it even further to the Left and you'll have shifted the entire frame of debate, marginalizing conservative Republicans.
For a preview of what I'm talking about, look at California. In California, Schwarzenegger may be less liberal than Cruz Bustamente would have been, but his ultimate effect has been to destroy the power of the conservative base. The Dems will always be as Leftist as they think they can get away with being. Conservatives need to act as a bulwark against their radicalism. When we abandon that principled resistance, even in the minority, we allow them to win.
ya think?
But what I cannot fathom is the intensity with which you endeavor to get others to not vote for him.
bwahahahaha!
“If Obama somehow gets elected (and I doubt he will), he will be a terrible President for four, of if not for four, then eight years. But the pendulum will swing back and we’ll eventually elect a conservative.”
Assumes facts not in evidence and is primarily wishful thinking. If you’re efforts to get other to NOT vote for McCain are based on this, say so.
Here is a simple answer Bob.
We Conservatives will not Vote for McCain no matter what.
Who comes on this forum and pre-qualifies their prerequisites of other people’s answers?
Someone looking for an outcome to match their desire... perhaps?
Huh?
1. I haven't made any efforts to get others not to vote for McCain. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. I am, however, extremely concerned about what a McCain presidency would mean and I do think in the long run it might be worse than an Obama presidency
2. The pendulum always swings back. That's not an irrational assumption. It always happens.
LOL. It is actually the other way around. It is folks like you who try to convince those of us who will not vote for McCain under any circumstance that we must vote for McCain or dire consequences will ensue. I for one am not trying to convince anyone not to vote for McCain. I view it as a personal decision based on principle and conscience.
BTW - I contend that the damage a lib presidency, combined with a lib majority in both houses of Congress, can do in 8 years would be so traumatic that we will spend the next 20 years just trying to undo the damage...and that takes for granted a conservative will get elected in ‘12 or ‘16.
And that’s a big if...
“We Conservatives will not Vote for McCain no matter what.”
Understood. Why do you work so fervently trying to get OTHERS to not vote for the man?
There is no “balance” in that perspective. McCain IS Left of Center. A move convervative SWING would correct the trend of Bush41, Clinton-Clinton, Bush43-Bush43, and McCain’s one (partial?) term (think he has the mettle for 2 full terms?).
The world cannot suffer 4 years of Obama. It would be like taking Carter where he is NOW and letting that be the “passive” image of the radical stirring underneath.
Bill Clinton was going to be a one term president too until the OKC bombing.
Hehehe.
“I haven’t made any efforts to get others not to vote for McCain.”
many have and that is the reason for this post.
“I am, however, extremely concerned about what a McCain presidency would mean and I do think in the long run it might be worse than an Obama presidency.”
And I ask you to explain why you believe this because I, and others, don’t get it.
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