Posted on 05/15/2008 9:02:18 PM PDT by Bob J
This is a serious question and I respectfully ask for serious, thoughtful responses from the most ardent McCain detractors and not the casually disgusted. If you are only casually disgusted, please refrain from mucking up the thread and allow only the truly bulemic to air their rationale.
I am not a McCain supporter, never have been probably never will be. That he will be the eventual GOP nominee is all but assured and that I might find I must vote for him if only to counter an Obama or Clinton administration, well, that's my decision and one I hope you will respect as much as you ask others to respect your decision to not vote for the man.
But I have one question for which I cannot find an answer. I understand your disdain for the man. His past actions and his present positions on some issues, immigration and globull warming being chief among them, speak for themselves and anyone who cannot bring themselves to vote for him based on these and other ideological reasons is completely understood and defensable.
But what I cannot fathom is the intensity with which you endeavor to get others to not vote for him. I can't see the logic in it as allowing an Obama/Clinton win would inevitably usher in much more caustic era for conservatives considering the dem will have majorities in both the House and Senate on which to reek havoc on sacred conservative principles.
I know some are going to say we need a dem/liberal administration so they can screw things up so much that America will be screaming for a conservative to fix things. If so, please explain how this is going to happen because I for one do not believe it and the disaster a dem oval office, with congress in tow, could do in four or eight years that if a conservative could get elected again in '12 or '16 it might take 20 years just to undo the carnage, not to mention the 3 SC justices they might be seating. With a dem dominated Senate you can be assured that they will excercize the opportunity to dominate the most radical left wing socialists they can possibly muster...and they will be successful in seating them.
Please, leave the sound bites and jingoisms at the door. Only well thought out and supported positions need apply.
The shackles of socialism are not easily cast off. The speech codes of liberalism will make dissent a crime.
Already we see it. Those who challenge Fearless Leader are called racists. His Marxist views are never brought into mainstream debate.
His own writings are not considered “fair game”.
Let's face facts. We are in a bad spot here. Every time I decide to vote for McCain he opens his mouth and makes me rethink.
But ultimately we have no choice than to do otherwise and that sucks.
I don't ever recall posting anything about getting anyone on this forum to vote either for or against John McCain, or anyone else running in the Republican primaries earlier this year.
Now, Who is making assumtions?
We will all likely vote, and vote R downticket.
McCain needs to pick a Conservative VP, that may change a few minds.
I am not talkin’ RINO’s like the Huckster or Crist either.
A true Conservative as VP.
Otherwise I’m walking, and I suspect That I will not be alone.
Why are so many trying to get OTHERS not to vote for McCain?
Well...I haven't started a thread to tell others I don't understand them. Let me know how it works out for ya and I'll consider it. lol
Speak for yourself.
I will wait until November 3rd to decide if I will vote for McCain.
That's because you're asking the wrong people. You should be asking John McCain why he's so intent on getting others not to vote for him because not a day goes by that he doesn't alienate more and more of us here. And elsewhere.
Ain't gonna happen. McCain will continue to be maverick McCain.
Read the speech he gave today. It could have just as easily been given by Clinton or Obama, with few exceptions.
McCain offers nothing that is inspiring or makes one enthusiastic to support him. He is just another politician making empty campaign promises and hoping voters don't look too closely at his 25-year record in Washington.
Like it or not, Obama is inspiring his followers and bringing enthusiasm to his campaign. He is also bringing in many new young voters.
The only think McCain might have in his favor is his VP pick. Then we could hope that Providence might be kind to us and that VP would soon have a career advancement.
You’ve been here over ten years and are now perplexed why folks at a conservative forum would openly cast aspersions on the “presumptive nominee” of the GoP?
A man who has single-handedly done more to seek freedom from torture for captured enemies of this nation, co-authored legislation that reined in freedom of speech during campaigns and then worked hand-in-hand with Ted Kennedy doing the bidding of a few who have other agendas for this nation than protecting it from all enemies foreign and domestic, and then has the unmitigated gall to go global warming and has shown no great love for a conservative base that brung many a coin to the coffer and and dancing shoes to more than a few Republican inaugurations.
If some here wish to vocalize over and over again these and many more little tidbits re: Sen. McCain, what better place to do it?
Personally, the GoP lost quite a few folks in 1998 when the Senate chose to turn and walk away from prosecuting high crimes by the Slickster.
Many came back onboard in 2000 and more in 2004, and then, the open betrayals began.. and the reprisals came. 2006 was a wakeup call the party has so far chosen not to heed to any perceptible degree.. If nothing else, maybe just maybe someone at the NRCC is paying attention to the fuss, if not, then it is likely to be all our losses in the end.
Of course, now the usual refrains from folks such as you and others is ‘how can you let obama or clinton win?’
Oh I agree, how can we allow such a thing to happen, but don’t try and kid anyone that McCain is a slam dunk, he is certainly not seeking to be one by his own choice or actions, so please don’t begrudge others their choices either. Maybe the party should answer why it allowed others outside the party to pick the candidate in the primaries, but that is of no import to many when it should be of concern to all. Talk about a real Operation KAOS.
In closing , cheer up, it could be worse, believe it or not. This nation has survived tyranny before and it may well have to again, better the other party be swinging the ax than our own. It is our Republic to keep, our founders knew the dangers that might befall a nation that succumbed to single party rule which is very close to what we are toying with today.
At least then, those who would seek to reclaim the Republic can strike back in defense without fear of being called a turncoat by those in our own ranks for doing so.
There. Fixed it for you.
Because he is the death of Conservatism. I can’t for the life of me understand why those who realize this would be silent, or even could be silent on the issue.
Agreed, but I don't think it will happen. The Democratic Party won't go away when McCain is President. They'll keep attacking him from just a bit further to the left, in exactly the same way as California Democrats keep moving the ball a little further to the left as Schwarzenegger follows.
When the pendulum swings back, it'll go even further to the Left -- to the Dems -- not to marginalized, now-irrelevant conservatives.
My objective in my negative replies on McCain threads is not to influence others not to vote for him, but to possibly attempt conservatives to join in an effort to DUMP him as the primary republican candidate. If McCain is the nominee, Republicans will wander in the desert for the remainder of my lifetime plus many more years. He absolutely cannot win the general election. It is my hope that if McCain is totally unsupported financially, then cooler heads in the leadership positions of the RNC might come to their senses and dump this dead turkey before the convention.
I absolutely DETEST Juan McCain, but I have never tried to talk someone else out of voting for him. I feel that a vote is a deeply personal decision that a person must reconcile with his own conscience.
I see things just the opposite from you - the most vitriolic McCain threads on here are the ones that have McCain supporters jumping all over people here who have stated that they, themselves, have no intention of voting for the man. I’ve had some of these people talk to me very rudely.
I’m not going to condemn anyone for the way they vote - we have that right as Americans & I respect anyone who takes the time to consider all options & comes to a decision after thoughtful consideration.
A lot of conservatives are very, very upset with the party right now & it’s presumptive nominee. When I make a negative comment on a thread bashing John McCain, I’m not trying to convince anyone to not vote for him - I’m just explaining why I won’t be voting for him, and I’m venting my frustration and displeasure with other people that feel the same way I do. I don’t believe in blaming the voters - I blame the candidate. John McCain has put himself out there & he is fair game for criticism.
I try not to go on threads where most of the people are praising McCain & disrupt their good feelings about him - I think that would be a downer for you all. I can understand that you’ve come to a difficult decision yourselves to vote “for the lesser of 2 evils”. I respect that, I would just ask that you not be so rude & obnoxious to those of us who feel differently.
Bob-
Name one person here that is Actively attempting to get people to change their Vote.
This is called an “opinion forum”!
We have one.
You don’t like it!
Nobody gives a care how YOU vote!
Whaddaya insecure or something?
Unfortunate that most of them are products of public education. This is not looking good.
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