Posted on 02/27/2008 6:12:38 PM PST by Kay Ludlow
NYT: MCCAIN'S BIRTHPLACE IN CANAL ZONE RAISES ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONS...
My argument assumed that persons born on U.S. military bases would be American citizens only if their parents were Americans. I didn’t think I needed to spell that out.
Not so, my FRiend! Panama has been independent (initially from Spain)since 1821. Columbia made claims (never agreed to by Panamanians) but gave up those claims in, I think, 1903. The Canal Zone was administered by the US until it was turned over per the Carter treaty. More that you probably wanted to know about Panama history right here.
I don’t think, whether he used the plural or the singular, that he was speaking of dress. But as I said, I never understood until thinking I’m beginning to get it. I bought one of his books 25 years ago and couldn’t understand the table of contents.
It doesn’t matter whether or not Panama was American territory or not, McCain’s parents were citizens of the United States. That in itself qualifies McCain as a natural citizen.
His father was a naval officer assigned in Panama on active duty at the time.
This also qualifies McCain as a natural citizen.
Guess again.
The New York Times editors are so cute when they pretend to care about the Constitution....
I give up.
Please go back and read my posts.
That statute doesn’t answer the question. It says he is a citizen, but it doesn’t say he’s a “natural born” citizen or one that is “naturalized.” Those are the definitions that are important.
Sorry if I offended you (well not really). Though I have a feeling that is easy to do.
I also have a feeling you deliberatly chose to avoid my real hope, and the whole gist of this story, that whatever it takes John McCnutts never be President.
In law, EVERYTHING has to be spelled out or else you end up with all sorts of claims.
"Zee bebee vaz born in zee Amerikaner PX ver I verk so eet iz an Amerikaner citizen."
I had a childhood friend that wound up doing exactly that. Except when he got to Hawaii, he liked it so much he stayed! Still there, I think. But he was a Trust Fund Baby and really didn't need to work for a living.
As far as bringing a boat back from the Zone, if you can afford to buy with cash you can afford to ship it right back to Fort Lauderdale and plenty of commercial ships right there at the embarkation point. Buy, then fly home. Wait for your ship to literally come in.
“McCain will be corrupt/stupid/ineligible in enough people’s minds to remove any chance he has of pulling a miracle and winning.”
WILL be??
In a similar vein, I remember hearing that you could buy a boat real cheap in Colombia in the 1970s. Seems people with sailboats and cash would head down there, figuring they'd buy a kilo of two of cocaine and bring it home--just for kicks. They'd vanish, along with their money, and their boats would be left abandoned in the marina. Don't know if it's true, but it's a good story.
No need for a debate about anything printed in the Times. The paper has become inane.
Here’s the paragraph that I referred to, I went to it from the link I posted to you. It is there.
Not trying to be difficult, but theres nothing there that says the canal zone was US territory. I'm assuming you are referring to this comment:
(One might also argue that the Canal Zone was not truly “foreign” as a U.S. possession at the time, but we can leave that out of the analysis.)
At best the author is saying what someone "might" argue. Do you have anything other than this one authors offhand comment about what someone "might" argue, that can back up your claim that "Panama was AMERICAN TERRITORY at the time."? Not trying to be a pest, lol, I'm just really curious about this issue. Thanks :)
“Surely even the NYT isn’t that addled.”
Not addled. They’re setting up something for the nutcases to glom onto. The 2009 version of “selected not elected,” an excuse for the moveon.org crowd to say he’s not “legitimate” if he wins. No matter that few of them can probably even *find* the Canal Zone on a map.
If you disagree, please provide the actual section that does.
Yeah, it's a very Middle-Eastern sounding name.
(And after all, Sid Caesar was Jewish!)
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